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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2006 16:07:11 GMT
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Post by agoodcuppa on Aug 25, 2006 16:20:01 GMT
Very much so rob.
It demonstrated that the safety systems worked when something untoward happened and, apart from a bit of delay, no one was hurt or inconvenienced. The automatic brake was shown to be just that.
I do agree that it shouldn't have happened and I'm sure a thorough investigation will take place.
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Post by william on Aug 25, 2006 16:33:34 GMT
It demonstrated that the safety systems worked when something untoward happened and, apart from a bit of delay, no one was hurt or inconvenienced. The automatic brake was shown to be just that. Absolutely, but hardly a good PR exercise. |
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Post by Chris M on Aug 25, 2006 16:45:35 GMT
I note in the BBC article the picture has the caption that "First Capital Connect" runs the service out of Kings Cross. The picture shows a Hull Trains unit and what looks to be a train in NSE livery!
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 25, 2006 16:50:05 GMT
There is nothing like consistency in the media.  |
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Post by agoodcuppa on Aug 25, 2006 16:50:29 GMT
Absolutely, but hardly a good PR exercise. Such events are not staged as PR exercises.  |
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Post by william on Aug 25, 2006 17:02:07 GMT
I was referring to the above remark. |
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Post by agoodcuppa on Aug 25, 2006 17:12:30 GMT
I was referring to the above remark. I realised that, but both observations demonstrate an attitude that's become all too prevelant of late, "Nothing must go wrong". Unforunately it does. Learn to live with it and deal with any consequences. The world isn't perfect, that's why we have the automatic brake, signalling and other safety devices on the railway. It's also why we have doctors, medicines, ambulances, hospitals, car repair workshops and all the other services and industries devoted to sorting out things that have gone wrong. Do you realise how many lawyers would be out of work if everything was perfect? Would you want to see legions of unemployed solicitors and barristers having to sign on at the Jobcentre every week? Could you really live with yourself if suddenly everything was perfect and all those laywers families were rendered destitute? |
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Post by Christopher J on Aug 25, 2006 17:16:34 GMT
From what I have been told, this is not the first time a train has uncoupled during service on FCC/WAGN apparently, an incident of the same nature happened recently a few months ago.
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Post by compsci on Aug 25, 2006 17:22:39 GMT
I note in the BBC article the picture has the caption that "First Capital Connect" runs the service out of Kings Cross. The picture shows a Hull Trains unit and what looks to be a train in NSE livery! The unit in NSE livery is a FCC train. Neither they nor WAGN before them have got round to repainting their 365s, except for some vinyl wraps for the franchise launch and some tourist board adverts. "New stock" in the article is actually 1994-1995. By the time they were delivered they were in NSE livery but NSE was already dead or dying. |
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Post by agoodcuppa on Aug 25, 2006 17:28:08 GMT
Back in BR days an HST uncoupled on the ECML. It's not the first time there's been a breakway and it probably won't be the last.
Coupling devices are designed to be uncoupled therefore it stands to reason that once in a while they will come apart at an inconvenient moment.
Since we know there is the possibility of it happening measures must be implemented to mitigate the effects of the event. That's why we have the automatic brake and track circuiting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2006 22:51:16 GMT
I can think of several occasions when the electrical connection was done - and the mechanical one wasnt - hence the need to do a pull away test after coupling and to visually check the couplings are engaged - and the tell tale lugs are dropped on emu stock before departing.- plus full brake continuity test.
e.g. an empty 153 at Dorrington one afernoon in the early 90s - admittedly it was being towed to depot after a failure.
the NYC Subway had a breakaway on the A line coming into Rockaway Ave on a service train and for some reason the forward portion kept going to the next station stop - it made the newspapers in the late 1980s and was blamed on "poor maintenance" - maybe so - but pre departure checks may have been part of the story........
the most impressive one I can recall - in terms of damage - was a loaded 10 set Freightliner which had the brakes isolated (!) - and which came apart from tjhe main train on buffering up south of Shap - there was a long link passenger screw coupling - and the vehicles ran free from Penrith to Caldew Jct - where the runaway was diverted onto the goods avoiding line at over 70 mph - derailed - brought down the overheads and ended up in the river Caldew bringing a bridge down in the processl - the wagons were completly wrecked along with the contents of about 20 containers. The line was shut permanantly.(1984)
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