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Post by marty on Mar 28, 2006 14:31:33 GMT
NORTHERN LINE: Minor delays are occurring due to an earlier customer incident at Golders Green. From tfl website - What´s a customer incident Although I check out tfl nearly every day - I have never before heard of a "Customer Incident" ;D ;D ;D Anyone explain? Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2006 15:13:33 GMT
It's the latest touchy-feely term for "Passenger Action", itself another touchy-feely term for "Somebody went and did something bad."
Usually it's down to altercations between staff and passengers, attempted/executed one unders, somebody being struck down by a medical problem, somebody injuring themselves and needing assistance, etc etc etc.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2006 17:34:50 GMT
What´s a customer incident An Incident involving a customer ?
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Post by Phil on Mar 28, 2006 18:56:26 GMT
What´s a customer incident An Incident involving a customer ? Now,now MA, a genuine question deserves a genuine answer (as far as one can)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2006 20:57:44 GMT
An Incident involving a customer ? Now,now MA, a genuine question deserves a genuine answer (as far as one can) Which is what I put! A customer incident can be one of many things, on the whole it is an incident involving a customer....
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Post by Colin on Mar 28, 2006 22:33:09 GMT
LUL tries to keep it simple by only using a few standard explanations when things go wrong. I do think they keep it too simple at times - which does cause more knowledgeable people, such as those here, to question why they have said 'X', when really 'Y' is the actual problem. When I was on the stations, I found that more often than not the public are capable of understanding better explanations than they get. Guidelines were issued in the internal traffic circular a few months back, but i've binned it now. Customer incident / passenger action really does mean anything involving a customer. So while MA's answer may seem a little sarcastic, it's actually very true
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Post by Colin on Apr 16, 2006 23:06:26 GMT
Guidelines were issued in the internal traffic circular a few months back, but i've binned it now. I've just been having a tidy in my flat, and found the very traffic circular with the guidelines in it (I won't say which one it is, but suffice to say my flat was a 'little untidy'!! ;D ;D). The incident's that LUL define as resulting in a "customer incident" announcement are: fight public disorder accident assaultIf you got to this thread by following the link from the 'T fL's unclear message' thread, then I can reveal that "faulty communications equipment" announcements originate from one of these: defective train radio loss of station radio loss of station PA loss of station OPO loss of station CCTVFor obvious reasons, I can't quote the traffic circular word for word, or scan the page - but I may still keep the page from it in case any more questions arise....
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Post by mandgc on Apr 17, 2006 0:27:41 GMT
"Customer Incident"
At least it indicates who is to blame for the delay, ie- A 'fellow passenger' .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2006 9:53:48 GMT
Sort of carrying on from this, in the event of a 'Fire alert' (as there was earlier today at Blackfriars), do trains carry on through the station at caution speed (5mph?) or normal line speed?
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Post by Colin on Apr 17, 2006 10:36:12 GMT
Sort of carrying on from this, in the event of a 'Fire alert' (as there was earlier today at Blackfriars), do trains carry on through the station at caution speed (5mph?) or normal line speed? 2 part answer: If the 'fire alert' is on a platform or at platform level, the train service will be suspended. If the 'fire alert' does not directly affect the platform (but obviously close's the station), trains will non stop - so will be subject to 5mph at the station starter as per signalling principals. (There no types of incident that permit running at full line speed through a station!!)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2006 10:41:59 GMT
If the 'fire alert' does not directly affect the platform (but obviously close's the station), trains will non stop - so will be subject to 5mph at the station starter as per signalling principals. (There no types of incident that permit running at full line speed through a station!!)Unless you are on parts of the system where multi aspect signalling / RBJs are used, which allows you to run through a station at normal line speed. An example is North of Harrow on the met
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Post by Colin on Apr 17, 2006 11:10:59 GMT
Yes there are always exceptions to the rule, but my point is that a 'fire alert' (or any other incident for that matter) does not override the signalling system in place. If a train is to non stop, it will do so in the same manner as on any other ocassion at that given location.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2006 15:27:58 GMT
Yes there are always exceptions to the rule, but my point is that a 'fire alert' (or any other incident for that matter) does not override the signalling system in place. If a train is to non stop, it will do so in the same manner as on any other ocassion at that given location. Yes I see what you mean now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2006 15:46:08 GMT
Sort of carrying on from this, in the event of a 'Fire alert' (as there was earlier today at Blackfriars), do trains carry on through the station at caution speed (5mph?) or normal line speed? 2 part answer: If the 'fire alert' is on a platform or at platform level, the train service will be suspended. If the 'fire alert' does not directly affect the platform (but obviously close's the station), trains will non stop - so will be subject to 5mph at the station starter as per signalling principals. (There no types of incident that permit running at full line speed through a station!!)Sorry - I didn't mean full line speed, I meant would the train service be suspended, or be subject to the 5mph speed limit. Apologies for the misunderstanding ( I hadn't woken up fully yet )
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