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Post by Tubeboy on Jun 4, 2006 19:16:47 GMT
In the unlikely event of a train being detrained at a disused station, who would make the final decision as to evacuation? I would say the l/c and the Dmt. Can anyone shed any light please?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2006 19:30:15 GMT
Never had to do that. There being no closed stations on the Central, bar British Museum, but you cant access the street from the old platform tunnels. Had to drop off some techni-guys at Old Ford Fanshaft ages ago, they were investigating water seepage!
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Post by citysig on Jun 4, 2006 19:45:40 GMT
The overall decision rests with the DOM or Service Manager as they are these days (or their equivalent on some lines).
It is always the SM who has overall say on every matter concerning what effectively is his/her railway.
That said, the Line Controller (or Service Controller or equivalent) will be responsible for bringing the matter to the SM's attention / responsible for suggesting evacuation, should that be required.
Detrainment itself may then go on to occur without any assistance from a DMT. The train operator and any local staff that may be able to reach the area will be sought first. Should a DMT be nearby then even better. Just make sure its them who does the hard work ;D
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Post by prjb on Jun 4, 2006 20:20:03 GMT
Citysig is correct. The Line Controller would seek advice from staff on the ground, preferably an operating official, and then seek authority from the DOM before authorising a detrainment of this type. This is obviously dependant on location and severity of the incident that is occuring. In a fire/smoke situation things would develop quickly and would require rapid decisions that took into account the risk levels of going or staying. In a defective train scenario where a more measured approach could be applied it would be more prudent to try other methods before going for detrainment, in this situation you could also deploy your staff in order to assist. As for location, Kings X disused for example is not an official detrainment point but was used on July 7th following proper operational considerations and deployment of personnel. Where as somewhere like the Old Ford Fan Shaft, which is specifically designed for an emergency detrainment, is a different prospect. It is generally the case that detrainment would commence before the arrival of a Duty Manager (Trains), as they are normally remote from the incident and/or enroute. As a DMT, the first thing you do when you arrive on site is find the most senior member of LU staff and get an update, whilst ensuring that the correct protection arrangements are being followed (this is vital). You would then take the role of Silver Control and liaise with the appropriate level in the attending emergency services and the relevant LU staff in the incident structure. At this point you would also take control of traction current arrangements.
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Post by citysig on Jun 5, 2006 8:56:18 GMT
Well thank you. But then again you would hope I had some idea ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2006 23:13:40 GMT
On the District, we have a disused station at St. Mary's (between Aldgate East and Whitechapel) but I wouldn't have the first clue how to evacuate there - I don't even know if there's any access to the surface anymore.
There is a general instruction that closed stations (including those just closed on Sundays) are to be considered part of the running line, i.e. they don't exist to all intents and purposes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2006 23:16:01 GMT
I think there a lot of cable runs along the platform edge, plus I *think* the stairs to ticket hall are still there, but may be they are capped off.
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Post by Colin on Jun 7, 2006 23:27:31 GMT
On the District, we have a disused station at St. Mary's (between Aldgate East and Whitechapel) but I wouldn't have the first clue how to evacuate there - I don't even know if there's any access to the surface anymore. The platforms have a solid brick wall with cables on them. Also, AFAIK street access is no longer available - so it'd be a little difficult ;D ;D The other disused station on the District, Mark Lane, only has a platform eastbound. Though it's not bricked off, there are plenty of cables in the way here too - and street access is extremely limited.
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Post by towerman on Jun 7, 2006 23:57:33 GMT
Weren't Old Ford and Netherton Rd taken off the list of authorised evacuation sites some time ago?
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Post by mandgc on Jun 8, 2006 5:48:10 GMT
What are ,or were, the Authorised detrainment locations between operational Stations ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2006 22:03:41 GMT
not so much as a disused station but more a shaft, within the heathrow loop theres an exit which leads you into the airfield! aka airside, which i once had access to being ex-airport staff. i believe managers on the heathrow group have airsidde passes so imo lul staff and baa staff would meet customers with awaiting buses.
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Post by towerman on Jun 8, 2006 22:52:31 GMT
There are emergency exit/entrance points at the fan shafts on the JLE.
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Post by prjb on Jun 9, 2006 21:00:02 GMT
not so much as a disused station but more a shaft, within the heathrow loop theres an exit which leads you into the airfield! aka airside, which i once had access to being ex-airport staff. i believe managers on the heathrow group have airsidde passes so imo lul staff and baa staff would meet customers with awaiting buses. I was a DMT on the Picc for about a year, during my familiarisation I was told that the Heathrow shaft brings you up into the airfield but you emerge into a large locked compound. BAA staff receive an alarm when the shaft door is operated and attend to assist. I never saw it and my time on the Picc was over six years ago, so things might have changed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2006 21:44:58 GMT
it was just purely guesswork, trying to marry up my knowledge of both lhr and lul, might be wrong!
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Post by prjb on Jun 9, 2006 22:19:18 GMT
it was just purely guesswork, trying to marry up my knowledge of both lhr and lul, might be wrong! Oh no, I was agreeing with you!
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Post by solidbond on Jun 13, 2006 22:05:00 GMT
Having done road training on the Picc just before the T4 loop was opened (was it REALLY that long ago? ) we were told that indeed you would come into a locked compound where you would be met by BAA staff in order to complete any evacuation.
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Post by prjb on Jun 14, 2006 22:49:16 GMT
Yes. That is exactly what I was told when I did my familiarisation.
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