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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2006 14:19:10 GMT
The thread on good and bad duties has made me think of something: On a preserved line are there actual drivers duties worked out, or do the volunteers drive 'when they fancy a go' (pardon the expression)? I know there is (probably) a set working for each loco/unit but not sure how drivers would be organised around it.
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Post by agoodcuppa on Apr 19, 2006 14:34:03 GMT
There's a roster, usually based on the individual telling the roster clerk when he or she will be available.
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Post by Phil on Apr 19, 2006 15:59:27 GMT
A bit naive oversimplified, alex if you'll pardon me.
The timetable on a preserved line is as set in stone as any other, so needs staffing in the same way.
For railways like the WSR, as agoodcuppa says, all volunteers are circulated about 7 weeks ahead and have to return an availability sheet. The roster clerk then makes up the roster for a given month which is released about 3 weeks before that roster starts. If a volunteer then becomes unavailable it is up to them to notify the clerk so he can find a replacement
However, of the fulltime (paid) staff, the railway also has people who are qualified to do the various duties, and in case of sickness on the day one of the staff will fill the duty.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2006 16:09:27 GMT
A bit naive oversimplified, alex if you'll pardon me. Sorry if it seems like that, I don't know how preserved lines operate in relation to the everyday thing. However, of the fulltime (paid) staff, the railway also has people who are qualified to do the various duties, and in case of sickness on the day one of the staff will fill the duty. I didn't know there were full - time staff on preserved lines. You can tell I haven't been on one since I was five!!! EDIT: Yes I have been on one since then, I was on the Romney Hythe and Dymchurch about two years ago.
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Post by Tomcakes on Apr 19, 2006 16:29:18 GMT
Generally there are a "core" of paid staff, to do things such as keep the enquiries office / shop open on weekdays, and some in operational tasks. Most of them can do several things so they might be a passed out driver and also able to do bookign clerk duties, often they are also volunteers and can often be retired - they don't do it for the money!
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Post by pgb on Apr 19, 2006 16:34:01 GMT
Phil is most definitely correct and of course there is more to it. Preserved lines are subject to just the same Health and Safety Legislation as any other line. I currently do the operating (traffic) rosters for Ffestiniog and Welsh Highland lines (which includes Crossing Keepers, Signalmen, Guards and Controllers) and it is a two stage process. You have the advance roster and the actual roster. The advance Roster or ARO for shows how many volunteers are required to run that service. When people give their availability they go in to the ARO until the roster is produced. This then allows, at a glance to see how full/sparse the weeks and can inform people accordingly. Rather than circulate a list of services, we allow people to just book the times themselves. Guest Driver turns can normally be found at the weekends, but generally the timetable is as published in the leaflet. Where volunteers are in short supply then we will use the paid staff in order of rank i.e. lowest paid first normally to man the turns (as long as they are qualified to do so).
Normally 4 weeks in advance the roster will be emailed out to people who work for the department to show where the gaps are. It will also appear on the volunteer website. Where my name appears it is highlighted to show people that they are quite welcome to take that turn. Volunteers must complete a certain number of turns to retain their ticket each year.
We do have unsociable turns, but generally, apart from Specials, most turns start no earlier than 0730 and finish no later than 2130. There are Specials that don't finish until 2300 and I have found myself still sat in the office at 0200 the following day waiting for a special to terminate. On one occasion we ran for 84 hours continuously and one of my colleagues got the dubious responsibility of being in the Control Office from 2200 until 0800 the following morning.
In terms of which unit/loco to take, it is slightly different for the FR. We have three rakes of six corridor coaches which are standard sets. These are strengthened each morning as required. One of the first jobs for the line controller is to get out his Crystal Ball and gaze into the clouds to work out how many of the great unwashed will descend on the train. We do have a slight bit of help with coach party's that have pre-booked like WA Shearings etc. About six weeks before this, the Operating Manager or myself on the odd occasion will look at the groups booked for the day and submit a locomotive request form. This will ask the locomotive department for a particular size of loco, which is normally one that can pull up to 6, 8 or 12 coaches. This then allows for maitenance to go on.
When a driver comes in for the morning of his shift, the loco supervisor will have used this request form and made a loco of that size available for service. The driver then has to search the works to try and find where somebody has hidden it! Or he looks on the board, which says where it **should** be. Normally, the rostered turn would be two return trips which is around ten hours with prep and disposal times included. At the end of the day, the driver will fill in the fault book if required and flag up if the loco is fit for traffic or not.
Hope that gives an idea of how it all works
Phil
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2006 16:52:44 GMT
A superb description! Thanks for posting that, PGB!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2006 16:57:17 GMT
A superb description! Thanks for posting that, PGB! I agree, certainly adds a lot more depth to the preservation scene.
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Post by Phil on Apr 19, 2006 17:02:42 GMT
Yes - you now have two (different) examples of how private railway rostering works, the ffestiniog of necessity being more complicated than WSR. I wonder if any of our other members involved with other private/preserved railways can add yet more variations??
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