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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2006 17:13:49 GMT
I know of the changes to smoking in pubs from the middle of next year - but I'm embarrased to admit I don't know how this will work generally.
I'm assuming that rail stations will become non - smoking too, meaning that the quick puff at Upm, Wim, Rich or Oly(?) will be no more. Will there still be smoking facilities in the crew depots and at some termini?
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Post by Colin on Apr 18, 2006 18:07:33 GMT
Well i'm a smoker - and I don't understand any of it either  ;D ;D ;D The original pubs ban was to apply only in those that served food. Then the idea of places of work was put about - now it's "public places". I respect the fact that other people (non smokers) don't want to breathe my smoke - but 'they' should either make smoking totally illegal or leave things as they are. The thing that interests me at the moment is: you see someone smoking where they shouldn't (ie, underground station). You point out that they are being naughty and all you get back is a load of abuse or worse, assaulted. So who is actually going to police any ban, particularly in the workplace? Actually - is there anyone here from Ireland or Scotland? As you now have some form of smoking ban in place, could you possibly enlighten us as to how it works? |
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Post by Tomcakes on Apr 18, 2006 19:09:18 GMT
Isn't the idea that all workplaces should be non-smoking - remember a pub is a workplace.
I couldn't care less if people want to kill themselves through their disgusting habits, but they should refrain from passing it on to other people.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2006 20:24:16 GMT
Isn't the idea that all workplaces should be non-smoking - remember a pub is a workplace. I couldn't care less if people want to kill themselves through their disgusting habits, but they should refrain from passing it on to other people. I agree, but I'm sympathetic to smokers because of this new, confusing legislation which seems to be far too vague in its defintion of where smoking is legal and illegal. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2006 20:25:08 GMT
The Police can't even catch real criminals - how on earth are they going to stop folk smoking in public?
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Post by jazza on Apr 18, 2006 20:54:36 GMT
hi guys, i live in Scotland. smoking is banned completely in all enclosed public spaces in Scotland. so you are not permitted to smoke anywhere in large enclosed stations like Glasgow central, Edinburgh Waverley etc.
on other stations waiting rooms are obviously included in any ban, as are all staff areas.
interestingly, smoking is also banned in small "bus shelter" type waiting areas on platforms if they have walls on four sides, as it is classed as being enclosed, even if it has two or more openings for entry or exit. if the shelter is merely a back wall and a roof covering, i am led to believe that you can smoke in those areas.
i am also led to believe you can smoke on open areas of platform at the vast majority of all outdoor stations.
hope this helps guys
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Post by Colin on Apr 18, 2006 21:02:48 GMT
Interesting...........
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Post by jazza on Apr 18, 2006 21:12:25 GMT
just to follow up on other points raised above, the police have no powers to deal with the enforcement of this ban in scotland. they will obviously stop you from smoking in any forbidden areas, however the law up here is that the ban is enforced by local council enviromental health officers. with the penalty of a £60 fixed penalty notice, similar to a speeding ticket, except that it is issued immediately.
and if you are caught say in a pub or restaurant, you get a ticket and so does the owner/licencee.
needless to say the ban is being well observed up here
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Post by Phil on Apr 18, 2006 21:36:08 GMT
But other unforseen consequences can be frightening. I'm thinking of the hospital incident in Hornchurch last week. The hospital had recently widened its smoking ban from just buildings to include the grounds as well. So the smokers had to leave the premises totally. That's what nurse Cheryl Moss did - went out the back gate for a smoke. And got murdered. I approve of smoking bans in general, but to include grounds as well is asking for trouble.
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Post by Tomcakes on Apr 18, 2006 21:41:51 GMT
Of course there's that guy the other day who was soaked in petroleum jelly from hospital treatment and went out for a cigarette...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2006 1:30:01 GMT
I can understand bans in public enclosed spaces, for example shopping centres, bars etc. As someone who is desperate to stop, I don't mind in the slightest going shopping in the Metro Centre when I go back up home, as that has had a smoking ban for a few years now, and if I can't smoke, I don't even think about it!
The same rule applies if I were to go into a non-smoking bar or restaurant. It wouldn't annoy me to not be allowed to smoke.
However, I think some sort of common sense should prevail for those of us who are still anti-social! Banning smoking in hospital grounds (or any other open air place) is just ridiculous! Especially when you consider the harmful fumes which most of us inhale on a daily basis anyway from general traffic and pollution.
Before long, the only place you will be legally allowed to smoke is in your own house.
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Post by chris on Apr 19, 2006 6:55:53 GMT
I think you will be allowed to smoke in a pub if it doesn't serve food.
I've been told that on Coronation Street (should anyone admit to watching it) that landlord is going to stop serving any food in his pub so people can still smoke.
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Post by agoodcuppa on Apr 19, 2006 7:42:20 GMT
I think you will be allowed to smoke in a pub if it doesn't serve food. That was a proposal, it's now a complete ban. |
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Post by agoodcuppa on Apr 19, 2006 7:44:40 GMT
Before long, the only place you will be legally allowed to smoke is in your own house. With all the Nanny's in the world today it's only a question of time. ;D |
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Post by agoodcuppa on Apr 19, 2006 7:45:50 GMT
Of course there's that guy the other day who was soaked in petroleum jelly from hospital treatment and went out for a cigarette... An obvious candidate for the Darwin Awards. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2006 10:34:34 GMT
Before long, the only place you will be legally allowed to smoke is in your own house. With all the Nanny's in the world today it's only a question of time. ;D New South Wales had a proposal put forward (by one of the more stupid politicians, which is saying something) that people be banned from smoking in their homes or cars if children were present.... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2006 14:09:53 GMT
Question for Jazza...will smoking be banned in the bookies too?
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Post by jazza on Apr 19, 2006 17:11:43 GMT
will smoking be banned in the bookies too? yes Alex smoking is banned for both staff and customers from the 26th march when the ban came in. as you know i work in the bookies and as a non smoker it is heaven, not going home at night smelling of stale smoke, and breathing it in all day. however i appreciate that people have a right to smoke, so i don't know whether the total ban, or some sort of compromise such as smoking and non smoking shops is best. finally, it's really funny watching 10 guys having a fag at the door straining their eyes and ears to watch/hear the 3.10 at newmarket |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2006 17:15:24 GMT
So from next year this will be the case in England too? That's funny about the blokes trying to watch the race - I'd just wait till it had finished!!! Mind you if you've put a lot of money on and you're a smoker, I can see it being one of those situations where you'd need a smoke!
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Post by jazza on Apr 19, 2006 17:18:05 GMT
cases of bitten nails by betting shop customers is up 400% i believe.  and yes it will be the same in england. |
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Post by jazza on Apr 19, 2006 17:28:35 GMT
one downside to the ban is a significant increase in cigarette ends thrown on the ground, must be up by more than double. even though most pubs restaurants bookies etc have placed external wall ashtrays.
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