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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2005 23:11:05 GMT
Hi
Earlier on tonight, i got a possible 'man - in - the - middle attack' come up on my computer.
I have read up on it, and it looks like some b*****d is hacking into my conversations on either MSN, AIM or YIM.
If I use Firefox, will this stop the problem, as I believe it is only an issue on IE.
Cheers Joe
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2005 23:16:44 GMT
I keep getting "an attack on you computer was blocked - Trojan Horse" come up. Happens two, three times each time I'm online. Getting sick of these sods keep virus-making. I'd like to give them a great big SLAP. And possibly a size 10 steel toe capped doc marten to follow up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2005 23:29:17 GMT
Yup i know what you mean mate.
Luckily, this thing that i've possibly got isn't as harmful as that trojan you keep getting blocked.
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Post by Phil on Dec 21, 2005 23:45:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2005 0:27:52 GMT
lol didn't know i was mate ;d I have got Firefox which is what i'm using at this very second Cheers Phil
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Post by tom2506 on Dec 22, 2005 8:55:46 GMT
FireFox may not stop these problems as Internet Explorer can still be used as a backdoor by these b*****ds even if its not running. If you have a firewall activated it will tell you that something has been blocked and you should be ok - If windows firewall is activated this should be ok.
FireFox is supposed to be more secure but do you want a freeware, open source web browser? I use IE and have never had any problems.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2005 9:34:18 GMT
My virus checker - Bullguard- alerted me to some kind of cache poisoning, and said that this could be a man in the middle attack. So i switched to Firefox, and deleted the cache from there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2005 9:36:12 GMT
Tom, don't be silly. A program that isn't running cannot be used as a backdoor (or anything else). If it's not running, it's not in memory.
And what's wrong with a freeware browser? It does not have the security problems of IE, and it is not the target of attacks.
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Post by compsci on Dec 22, 2005 10:46:25 GMT
Perhaps an explaination of what a "Man in the middle" attack actually is would help.
It doesn't really refer to plain evesdropping, but to a third party (the man in the middle) impersonating the person each end believes that they are talking to.
Using the old cliche, Alice and Bob are two people communicating in some manner. Each believes that they are communicating directly with the other. Charlie is a bad person (often represented by the devil in textbooks). He gains acccess to a point in the communications network between Alice and Bob (postal sorting office, internet connection etc.) He can then start intercepting messages between them. Not only can he read messages, but he can also alter messages, remove them and create entirely new ones. Alice and Bob still believe that they are talking directly to each other.
One particular problem with this attack from the point of view of defending against it is that it is very difficult to detect. Since Charlie controls the network link, he can subvert any attempt to detect him. This means that attempts to detect the attack are very hit and miss, such as looking for unusual delays. This results in a high false alarm rate, so it is pretty unlikely that a warning means that someone is actually messing around with your communications traffic.
One thing which this attack never involves is your own computer, it always occurs on an external network over which you have no real control.
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Post by tom2506 on Dec 22, 2005 10:55:27 GMT
I was talking about the whole FireFox/IE thing that was happening in the thread and T/op92's firewall blocking that trojan.
Also, IE can be used to infiltrate a PC whether it's used or not.
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Post by Tomcakes on Dec 22, 2005 11:47:18 GMT
Yes, I do want a freeware, opensource browser.
(BTW it's Firefox, not FireFox)
You will always get people saying "I use IE and I've never had any problems" - you mean you've never *seen* any problems. If you surf around in Firefox you will often see warnings of tripe coming in from various websites you browse without a care in the world with IE.
Again usual stuff about being firewalled and AV'd when using Windows applies. And IMHO, someone who runs an insecure machine and hence passes around viruses has at least a slice of the blame, as well as the virus creators. If people ran their machines properly, viruses would have a much harder time getting about.
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Post by tom2506 on Dec 22, 2005 12:04:46 GMT
It was Google spell checker that put FireFox.
I run my own computer repairs business and I have fixed many computers and I've never encountered any problems. Any security related repair has been the fault of the user rather than the browser.
Anyway, how can a freeware browser be better - its free and you can't guarantee it will be patched to get rid of its flaws.
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Post by traveller1030 on Dec 22, 2005 12:35:24 GMT
(BTW it's Firefox, not FireFox) If you want to be the ultimate pedant, FireFox is a brand name for fire extinguishers, along with the Malaguti F15 scooter - I believe the D Stock may even have sported them at one stage (the extinguisher, not a lawnmower-engine). EDIT: no, not the D Stock, try the DLR Stock.
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Post by Tomcakes on Dec 22, 2005 12:54:24 GMT
Yes, it's free. It's written as a "labour of love" by opensource contributors, who will want to sort out and problems with "their" program, rather than some large corp who doesn't really give a **** whether it's patched or not.
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Post by Chris M on Dec 22, 2005 14:58:48 GMT
I beleive that the average time between a security flaw being identified in firefox and a patch being issued is a few days, with the longest being a couple of months. The average time ebtween a security flaw being identified in IE and a patch being issued is a few weeks or months, with the longest being about 2 years and counting.
Its your choice of course, but to me there is no contest between the two. Firefox is superior to IE at everything I want a browser to do and be, that it is free is also a major bonus.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2005 1:07:43 GMT
i use avg (free edition ) and zone alarm, the two programs compliment each other nicely and have never had any viruses or trojans
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