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Post by stanmorek on Nov 14, 2005 10:33:33 GMT
I was wondering what safety training certificates the different LU staff need to hold. Might sound like a stupid question but is it right to assume that all train operators track trained (including PTS) as they might find themselves having walk up the open track and obviously sidings and depots. What about station staff? I've seen LU staff walk off the platform to what looked like scotch and clipping points. Do LU staff have their own protection masters (for traffic and engineering hours)?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2005 11:08:26 GMT
I was wondering what safety training certificates the different LU staff need to hold. Might sound like a stupid question but is it right to assume that all train operators track trained (including PTS) as they might find themselves having walk up the open track and obviously sidings and depots. What about station staff? I've seen LU staff walk off the platform to what looked like scotch and clipping points. Do LU staff have their own protection masters (for traffic and engineering hours)? The Safety Critical Licence includes Track, Fire, your actual job and the any other areas. For example a Service Duty Manager has something along the lines of: Operate Signalling Control systems Implementation of Emergency Operating Procedures Track Fire *Looks at Phil*  |
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Post by c5 on Nov 14, 2005 21:16:30 GMT
All my license (Service Operator) says is: Train Operation operate signalling control system. and track/ fire etc is part of that
On nights once, a telephone engineer came round and he had about thirty id cards and licenses, for entry to different depots, offices, first aid, track, fire, permit to enter.
I really must take out shares in photo-me ;D
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Post by Colin on Nov 15, 2005 3:01:31 GMT
Good question The safety critical licence has to be re-tested every 12 months, and everyone has Fire and Track as a base standard - with role specific stuff added. In addition we also have 'Competence Assurance', which assess's you 'on the job' and results in an NVQ Railway Transport Operations. Again this is done every 12 months (6 for Train Operators). As part of the track licencing, we have to do a 'track walk' - on live tracks first time  , dummy track after that. The track element qualifies us to access the track, following correct proceedures, as part of our jobs for role specific tasks only - so generally speaking, we don't use protection masters, as we can protect ourselves. Protection masters are used (day or night) for engineering works, etc of course. Finally, there are set periods when medicals must be passed, though hearing and sight are checked every 12 months as a base minimum. As far as Depots go, it's part of the 'Road training' - so all drivers on a line will be familliar with all the depots on their respective lines. My licence (Train Operator) has: Fire OPT (operational proceedures training) Network Rail (same as OPT, but for Network Rail) C Stock D Stock Train Operation* * Train Operation is described as: Operating a train in passenger service over London Underground and Third party infrastructure and being safe whilst on or about the track (includes engineering trains being operated and/or empty stock moves).
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Post by Tom on Nov 15, 2005 22:03:25 GMT
Us poor Infraco folk generally have a large number of certs to carry around. In my wallet I've got:
Safe Systems of Work On Electrical Equipment - Level 1 for Signalling Supplies up to 600v.
Manual Handling, Ladders and Towers Cert
Depot Familiarisation for Queen's Park
Entry Permit,
QAF 54 (Key Holder) Certificate
Safety on the Track Cert (Track/Depot Accustomed, Track/Depot Competent)
Fire Cert (Core and Engineering)
Cab Permit
Building Pass
In addition to this we have extra things on our licences. While I don't have a Safety Critical Licence I need to have an Internal MRBCV licence and an IRSE licence, and I'm working towards the following IRSE categories:
Signalling Designer
Signalling Functional Tester
and the Internal BCV Licence? One day soon I might get one for Central Line ATO Data Preparation and Waterloo and City Signalling Design Preparation. Of course I'm then working towards preparer's licences for the Bakerloo Central and Victoria also...
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Post by setttt on Nov 15, 2005 22:23:22 GMT
Safety on the Track Cert (Track/Depot Accustomed, Track/Depot Competent) Is that the equivalent of having Area A, B & C certification? I wasn't sure as I was only issued with Area A at Nf. |
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Post by Tom on Nov 15, 2005 23:05:41 GMT
Depot Competent means I can go into areas B and C providing my own protection if safe to do so. To enter an area 'A' I have to be area A trained for the depot concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2005 7:32:54 GMT
i have
protection master (traffic and engineering hours)
depot protection master
S.P.I.C
track accustomed
track competant
Safe Systems of Work On Electrical Equipment level M
IRSE signalling tester and signalling maintainer
dont need cab permit as we are exempt being t/o's
fire core ,fire engnerring, fire watchman
entry permit
but actually on my safety critical license ther is only protection master (t/h and e/h)
my irse licenses
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Post by stanmorek on Nov 16, 2005 22:53:40 GMT
My ever expanding wallet (alas not cash) has:
track accustom & competent
depot track accustom & competent
entry permit
fire safety core & engineering
SPC
Network Rail PTS
IOSH Safety Passport (Underground Railways)
Network Rail Bridge Strike Nominee 1
Depot Area A (Ealing Common, Neasden, Ruislip, London Road, Stonebridge Park, Northumberland Road)
Confined Spaces Working
4 different building passes
Oyster staff pass
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Post by Tomcakes on Nov 17, 2005 19:27:12 GMT
Hasn't someone thought to combine all these certificates into one, perhaps it could be stored on an Oyster card so lots of different permutations can be used. Isn't it rather awkward carrying >10 certificates with you at a time?
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, dummy track after that. The track element qualifies us to access the track, following correct proceedures, as part of our jobs for role specific tasks only - so generally speaking, we don't use protection masters, as we can protect ourselves. Protection masters are used (day or night) for engineering works, etc of course.
