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Post by ruislip on Mar 7, 2008 21:00:43 GMT
I have read on Wikipedia where there was a plan some time ago to build new tracks branching off west of Ruislip Gardens, running around the back of Ruislip depot, and connecting to the Met near Ickenham. Why would LU/TFL want to extend the Central to Uxbridge? Does this have anything to do with rumours that keep popping up about the Piccy being withdrawn from the Uxbridge branch? Or does it do with thin passenger numbers on the Central to West Ruislip, where an Uxbridge extension would see increased passengers? Finally, if such a thing ever happened, would the NR service from Ealing which terminates at Greenford be projected towards West Ruislip?
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Post by happybunny on Mar 7, 2008 21:06:45 GMT
The Picc and Central lacks a vital interchange on the western end. When I worked on the (various) central line western stations it was quite amazing the amount of people that arrived (particularly at Greenford, Northolt and Pork Royal) asking "how do I get to Uxbridge?" ... it would be a very useful interchange if one was created. Technically if travelling by Tube from Greenford to Uxbridge.. you have to go to Holborn and come back on the Picc... not that nice  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2008 21:10:36 GMT
There was plans for Park Royal and Hanger Lane to be combined, as new development near to where the Pic crosses over means there is demand for a station on the Central... unfortunately, some clause regarding a rising grade and the fact that stations can't be built on such.... means nothing has happened... people are left with a walk along the busy Western Avenue.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2008 3:48:12 GMT
The plan to run the Central to Uxbridge was pre ATO and such a scheme would now be virtually impossible to come to fruition due to the incompatibility with the Central line ATO system and the Met line signalling.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2008 7:27:54 GMT
The Picc and Central lacks a vital interchange on the western end. Well there is an interchange (or two) for people who like walking! |
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Post by Oracle on Mar 11, 2008 7:34:52 GMT
How many passemgers interchange between Ickenham and Ruislip? I gather that even at full run for a healthy person it must be at least 6 minutes? Or is there a bus? My Dad's cousin lived i Ickenham, just north of the Met/Picc station although we only know that she used the Met into London.
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Post by ianvisits on Mar 11, 2008 9:54:38 GMT
Walking for a whole 6 minutes?
Blimy, how do people cope.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2008 10:54:45 GMT
What you can do is get off at West Ruislip and catch the U1 that leaves out side the station and goes to Uxbridge which takes about 10 mins!
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Post by Ben on Mar 11, 2008 13:12:39 GMT
Its more than a six minute walk, maybe about ten minutes. Its not counted as any sort of interchange bear in mind, so if you want to get from Northolt to Hillingdon say, your ticket will only cover you until you exit the system.
Is there not a chance it could come about after the met goes ATO? Surely it cant be totally imcompatable?
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Post by Chris M on Mar 11, 2008 17:09:37 GMT
What would be better than diverting the Central would be to build an interchange station where the lines cross (by Ruislip depot). This would either need to be an additional station on both lines or a new station on the Central with a replacement for Ickenham on the Met/Picc.
While there doesn't, from the air photos, look to any problem with space in the vicinity, however there isn't anywhere obvious in the adjacent settlement to connect the station to. It appears to be a quiet residential area that would serve central Ickenham less well than the existing station (which doesn't look perfect).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2008 17:11:33 GMT
Slough would be a good idea it's a very busy station and could do with a bit more than a few 166's and the odd HST also it's only just outside zone 6
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Post by Alight on Mar 11, 2008 18:20:22 GMT
Does sound a good idea. Especially the fact the line crosses over the Piccadilly/Metropolitan, but does not meet.
I've always considered the idea of the line being extended to Stansted via North Weald however the track would be simply too long, and it would take too long to get there via all the other stations before hand. Unless they extend the Victoria Line to South Woodfood..Just a thought.
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Post by peterc on Mar 12, 2008 23:51:50 GMT
The Vic Line is overcrowded as it is.
If the proposed housing development on the North Weald airfield site takes place then the line should at least be reopened to North Weald, preferably extended into the airfield site itself.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2008 5:55:14 GMT
The Vic Line is overcrowded as it is. If the proposed housing development on the North Weald airfield site takes place then the line should at least be reopened to North Weald, preferably extended into the airfield site itself. But again you have the question of who would pay for it: both the extension and the operating loss. T fL will not be willing to pay, as it's not in London, and Essex has never been keen to support the Central line. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2008 9:55:51 GMT
Slough would be a good idea it's a very busy station and could do with a bit more than a few 166's and the odd HST also it's only just outside zone 6 As Slough is going to be served by Crossrail, I don't really think it needs a Central Line extension as well! ATO has nothing to do with the signaling, it's just an unreliable electronic driver that uses the signaling like a proper human driver does. Er, ATO has quite a lot do with signaling. The speed codes are the signals. As for unreliable, I don't see too many trains being driven in the wrong direction by ATO trains (see Northern Line forum) ?  |
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Post by DrOne on Mar 13, 2008 11:00:15 GMT
The Vic Line is overcrowded as it is. If the proposed housing development on the North Weald airfield site takes place then the line should at least be reopened to North Weald, preferably extended into the airfield site itself. But again you have the question of who would pay for it: both the extension and the operating loss. T fL will not be willing to pay, as it's not in London, and Essex has never been keen to support the Central line. The route still exists in some form so it could be reasonable if/when crossrail 2 takes over the Epping branch, especially if surface stock is used. It may even stimulate further development. At the other end I still think Hayes & Harlington is a good option for simplification it could bring to the mainline Heathrow and suburban services... |
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Post by Chris M on Mar 13, 2008 11:13:43 GMT
What would be better than extending the Central Line out to North Weald, would be a new line, connecting at a couple of Central Line stations and possibly the top end of the Vic as well to provide an alternative (and ideally quicker) route into Central London for when the Central is shut/up the wall - perhaps make it part of the Chelsea-Hackney line.
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Post by Ben on Mar 13, 2008 12:35:50 GMT
Problem with an interchange where the met and central cross is that its two close to all the four stations its inbetween, and as Chris M rightly points out, the residential location its in is extremely poor for anyone else, including the majority of Ickenham.
The local MP for the area is still trying for the extension to Uxbridge btw. Stephenk, what is the exact issue with interfacing the two systems? I'd be curious to know as to whats holding it back. Also, after the Met goes ATO, would such an extension be easier/back on the cards?
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Post by ruislip on Mar 13, 2008 18:38:19 GMT
What would be better than diverting the Central would be to build an interchange station where the lines cross (by Ruislip depot). This would either need to be an additional station on both lines or a new station on the Central with a replacement for Ickenham on the Met/Picc. While there doesn't, from the air photos, look to any problem with space in the vicinity, however there isn't anywhere obvious in the adjacent settlement to connect the station to. It appears to be a quiet residential area that would serve central Ickenham less well than the existing station (which doesn't look perfect). What would such a station be called? Ruislip Depot? |
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Post by Chris M on Mar 13, 2008 19:26:26 GMT
Ruislip Interchange would be more likely I think.
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Post by astock5000 on Mar 13, 2008 19:50:47 GMT
As for unreliable, I don't see too many trains being driven in the wrong direction by ATO trains (see Northern Line forum) ? The only problems with ATO are that some drivers don't like it, the braking is not as smooth, and because the tains come into the platforms faster, it is more difficult to take pictures )even if there are no station staff around to tell you to go. |
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Post by plampin on Mar 19, 2008 23:42:04 GMT
I have read on Wikipedia where there was a plan some time ago to build new tracks branching off west of Ruislip Gardens, running around the back of Ruislip depot, and connecting to the Met near Ickenham. Why would LU/TFL want to extend the Central to Uxbridge? Does this have anything to do with rumours that keep popping up about the Piccy being withdrawn from the Uxbridge branch? Or does it do with thin passenger numbers on the Central to West Ruislip, where an Uxbridge extension would see increased passengers? Finally, if such a thing ever happened, would the NR service from Ealing which terminates at Greenford be projected towards West Ruislip? i think that really that would be unnecessary and the central line if anything should follow the course of the main line to Denham or gerrards cross, it may make money then. If the central line were to be extended to uxbridge then many issue's would have to be considered like capacity, the metropolitan line already provides an every 7 minute service along the branch which is more than enough to serve uxbridge and ruislip. Also new rolling stock would have to bought or the ATO settings would have to be changed. It is quite likely that london underground will just cut the piccadilly line service back to Rayners lane which makes more sence rather than continuing them on to uxbridge |
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Post by plampin on Mar 19, 2008 23:44:38 GMT
How many passemgers interchange between Ickenham and Ruislip? I gather that even at full run for a healthy person it must be at least 6 minutes? Or is there a bus? My Dad's cousin lived i Ickenham, just north of the Met/Picc station although we only know that she used the Met into London. there is a bus but it takes a long time because it has to travel round all the housing estates in the area |
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Post by ruislip on Mar 20, 2008 16:59:43 GMT
It is quite likely that london underground will just cut the piccadilly line service back to Rayners lane which makes more sence rather than continuing them on to uxbridge Even during the peaks? |
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Post by thc on Mar 20, 2008 17:17:07 GMT
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Post by metman on Mar 20, 2008 17:30:28 GMT
Interesting...I love old threats-the use of 72ts on the Drain was talked about a while ago! I personally don't see the point of fiddling with the existing services. The Central provides a decent serivce to West Ruislip. It would have been extended to Harefield and Denham if the Green Belt hadn't kicked in.
The problem with an interchange station is it's in the middle of nowhere! Don't buses run from Sth Ruislip to Ruislip (114?) anyway. The main issue to getting Central line passengers to Uxbridge. The bus services in the area aren't too bad. The 282 connects Eastcote and Northolt stations pretty quickly.
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Post by amershamsi on Mar 20, 2008 21:21:10 GMT
I'm always rather surprised that the Central line wasn't planned to take over the Uxbridge branch of the GW/GC joint under the New Works plans - that would have covered Uxbridge - Central line (and given an outerchange with the Met).
The Piccadilly and Central lines are fairly close, save Rayners Lane, South Harrow and Eastcote, and if you add changing at South Ruislip or North Acton, the distance you would need to walk to get to your end destination is even less (and South Harrow is nice and close to Northolt Park).
West London is a nightmare for interchange - Gunnersbury, Ealing Broadway, Hammersmith, Willesden Junction and West Hampstead being the only ones outside of zone 1 between the different sets of lines - the Jubilee/Met, the Bakerloo/DC, the Central, the District/Piccadilly and the North London line. And other than Hammersmith, they are on branches/slow lines.
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Post by superteacher on Mar 26, 2008 20:14:44 GMT
Although west London does have a greater number of routes compared to the east, and therefore less crowded!
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Post by metman on Mar 27, 2008 0:05:36 GMT
I'm always rather surprised that the Central line wasn't planned to take over the Uxbridge branch of the GW/GC joint under the New Works plans - that would have covered Uxbridge - Central line (and given an outerchange with the Met). If you are talking about using the High Street station, unless lots of new track was built it could have been difficult. The GWR/GC line to Uxbridge was a horrible link with access to the North and single line through the marshes down to Uxbridge. One reason why the line closed was that it was very long route. www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/stations/u/uxbridge_high_street/index.shtml |
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Post by ruislip on Mar 28, 2008 1:56:48 GMT
It amazes me how Uxbridge could cope with three different train stations(one for the tubes, the other for the mainlines). I am amazed at the pic of the current station taken in 1969. It looks like the two Piccies have either "Arnos Grove" or "Wood Green" as destinations. If you look real close at the upper right hand corner, you will see an RT bus. If this pic were in colour, I would be able to ascertain if it is a Country or Central area bus.
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