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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2008 8:47:42 GMT
The difference is that the 1938 tours run on track that makes money at all the other times trains run! Epping to Ongar would not be economical and was closed for a reason! Correct, it wasn't economical, but then again it was made to seem even more uneconomical by LT / LUL running it down over the years, to the point where the service was so inadequate, nobody wanted to use it. This may be an outdated view, but railways aren't meant to make big profits! It is a shame that LUL didn't care for it a bit more, becuase there has been a lot of development at Ongar since closure. This is getting off thread, but surely the problem was that all rail services need a subsidy. London was not prepared to pay for the Epping-Ongar service because it was not in London; and Essex thought (probably correctly) that a bus service would be cheaper. The business of LUL was/is to serve London. |
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Post by mrfs42 on Mar 4, 2008 10:52:58 GMT
Slightly more on-thread:
I can answer my sort of question from earlier about A60 stock on the Central - WTT 23 26/3/62 was waiting in my pigeonhole at work (I'll put in the relevant bits just in case anyone else is interested):
WORKING OF METROPOLITAN lINE "AMERSHAM" STOCK
1. All concerned to note that Metropolitan Line "Amersham" stock, indicated in the timetable pages as "A60" is out of gauge on the Central Line east of North Acton. On no account, therefore, must units of this stock be allowed to operate east of North Acton, nor in any other path in normal traffic hours other than those indicated in the Timetable without the prior agreement of the office of the Assistant Operating Manager (Railways).
2. The Line Engineer (Central) will be responsible for advising the Divisional Superintendent "D" on the previous day that the paths indicated in the timetable between Ruislip Depot and North Acton for "Trial Trips" with units of this stock will be used, and also for advising the office of the Assistant Operating Manager (Railways) by means of the normal procedure of the dates on which the path indicated in the timetable between Ruislip Depot, North Acton and Ealing Broadway will be used for transfer of this stock to the Metropolitan Line.
3. The Divisional Superintendent "D" will make all neccessary arrangements for the working of this stock including manning of North Acton Signal Cabin
Note:- All test running required by the Chief Mechanical Enginer (Railways), other than that with Metropolitan Line "Amersham" or other out-of-gauge stock must operate in the paths indicated in the Timetable between Ruislip Depot and White City.
The paths are 1048 R Dpt - N Acton, rev in EB plat, 1115 N Acton - R Dpt; there was another path about 3 minutes later that was a transfer path to the District at Ealing Broadway. 1.48 R Dpt - N Acton, rev in EB plat, 2.15 N Acton - Ruislip Depot.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 5, 2008 10:36:44 GMT
I would like to see more preserved trains. In the next 10 years there will be a mass slaughter of rolling stock and if one working example of each (A, C, D, 67/72 73) couldn't be saved it would be criminal. Very nice idea Metman but alas I think we have been this way before with regards to F, COP, R, '59/'62, '83 to name a few. The result I'm sure will be the same. Even the LTMuseums' proposed effort with the Q Stock have now been watered down. |
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Post by metman on Mar 5, 2008 11:56:14 GMT
The Q stock? Static display rather than working?
We need to get going now if we want to preserve some trains rather than in 2010 I think.
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Post by compsci on Mar 5, 2008 13:10:35 GMT
The last I heard they are aiming to restore 3 cars rather than 4 as one of the cars in Acton is in significantly worse condition than the others. I don't seem to have received the latest newsletter though, so things might have changed.
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Post by metman on Mar 5, 2008 13:28:57 GMT
The problem is this G stock car! There are actually two G stock motors, so maybe the other can be used? I expect that the Q23 car will run as a trailer (although they were thinking of making it a NDM). I would like to see the Q23 car at one end with one of the Q38 motors in the middle. Maybe Q23-Q38-Q35-Q38? Of course, these cars are quite old now and you have to work with the hand you are dealt!
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Post by Ben on Mar 5, 2008 14:29:06 GMT
But certainly the preservation movement is more advanced now than it was at the time of the withdrawl of the F, COP, R, Q, T and other such stocks? The problem is that underground stock is essentially a niche, and if there were a four railed preservation railway somewhere it would stand more of a chance to be preserved in working order.
The 83 stock was much derided at the time of its withdrawl, and the 59/62stock has always lived somewhat in the shadow of the 38 stock; however there still are opperational cars of 59/62 out there, and carriages exist of 83 stock...not in good order overall though!
As time goes on , however, an increasing amount of underground stock seems to be preserved.
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Post by metman on Mar 5, 2008 17:32:40 GMT
That is exactly the problem as you say Ben! Nowhere to run the trains! I can't think of anywhere decent to run/store the trains! The Depot at Acton is a little overcrowded! The best place I can think of is Neasden! It's going to get a rebuild and hopefully will have a little spare room? The Met Mainline to Amersham would be a great place to run the trains on, especially as the Chiltern section will be available for non ATO trains!
There is a bit of 59/62 floating about, and there is the 38ts too. I doubt when the IoW gets rid of its trains they will be able to form a 7 car train, but you never know!
If 2x3 car D stocks could be saved (one refurb, one silver), a 4 car train of C stock and 2x4 car units of A stock (again one refurb, one silver) they could all get a run out on the mainline!
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Post by Ben on Mar 5, 2008 21:04:14 GMT
Aha! What about the old test track metronet refurbished and electrified at Old Dalby? Once theyre done with it of course.
If LTM took one 2 car set from the IOW after its withdrawl, it could be combined with the spare 1938 trailer thats on the system somewhere to make a three car set to add onto the 4 car set already owned making a seven car set!
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Post by suncloud on Mar 5, 2008 21:20:41 GMT
... south of Loughton and then branch off to meet the Chingford line (I've not looked at the terrain, but it is quite hilly around Loughton so this might be expensive). Yes there are a fair few hills around... But perhaps just a big obstacle is Epping Forest. It is very strongly protected, not just standard development control and green belt etc. but also by the Epping Forest Act, which protects the forest from being 'enclosure' to preserve it as a public space. Any surface railway would probably be considered a breach of the Act, and even tunnelling may be strongly contested (especially cut and cover), and undoubtedly expensive. |
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