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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2007 0:04:04 GMT
And another question...
Quite a few of the 1992 stock cars seem leak in the rain - eg, was in 93144 last Friday when strangely enough it was pouring down with rain. As the train braked I collected a fair soaking straight down the back of the neck from the ventilator above. Moved seat but this carried on every time the train braked - they'll have mushrooms growing out of the upholstery soon.
What's going on,surely it's not rocket science to keep the rain out!
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Post by signalfailure on Jun 28, 2007 0:15:41 GMT
Yeah i thought it was just me but i thought that a few weeks back!
Sitting in front car pretty bad downpours when train starts breaking for South Ruislip, Pssssshhhh water down me face and back, wasnt happy because it was a VERY cold day.
Type of ventilator they use arent up to scratch, would help if 'mushrooms' are put over the intake tube, basically stops anything apart from air entering the unit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2007 9:59:46 GMT
And how do you propose that "mushrooms" could be added to the outside of tube stock? The clearance between car and tunnel is already as small as it can be.
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Post by jamesb on Jun 28, 2007 12:31:04 GMT
I've seen dripping from between where two panels join above the windows too - I'm not sure if this is coming directly through from outside, or from the vents?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2007 16:51:04 GMT
You should see the cabs... strips of tape, [or gunge where the washer has stripped off the tape] cover all the welds, because of this problem... Worst areas for leaking, are, IMHO around the doors and around the DMI above the from M door, that said, the seals on the doors are at times about as useful as a bath with no plug...
All is okay until water gets into the electronic gadetry...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2007 0:43:15 GMT
You should see the cabs... I was on the Central when the 92s first started entering service. One wet afternoon I went to bring a train out of Loughton Sidings to find a train a few months old had rain water pouring through the offside DTS monitor, needless to say the train stayed there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2007 10:22:36 GMT
Sounds like the 92s weren’t built to the same standard as A-stock. [If you know what I mean!]
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2007 18:40:06 GMT
59ts used to leak too... one time heading south from East Finchley in 1998, noticed rain water dripping through the light fitting! I rather hastily moved to the far end of that car, and jumped off at Highgate!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2007 22:33:59 GMT
The refurbished D stock are far from imune to this ! Had one the other day the cab floor was soaked, had to put my bag on the instructors seat ! And another where water was leaking in the cab from at least 5 different locations !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2007 13:23:00 GMT
As did the 62s. You can forgive 40 year old trains for leaking, but brand new ones leaking is just shoddy build. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2007 13:25:35 GMT
The refurbished D stock are far from imune to this ! Had one the other day the cab floor was soaked, had to put my bag on the instructors seat ! And another where water was leaking in the cab from at least 5 different locations ! Water runs in through the "M" door this also happens on the non refurbs but is less noticed as the wooden floor soaks it up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2007 16:27:54 GMT
I wonder if that mid life refresh our friendly maintenance company keeps bandering on about, will solve the problems!
100-1 No chance!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2007 17:17:40 GMT
You’ll probably get issued flippers and a snorkel, ‘cos it’s cheaper! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2007 17:28:22 GMT
Well, we're half way there already, as we can get some face masks for the tunnel dust!
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Post by jamesb on Jun 30, 2007 18:29:37 GMT
completly forgetting about this thread, i got on the central line at roding valley today, sat down, and got a big drip right on the middle of my forehead! grrrrrrrrrrr ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2007 18:33:25 GMT
Sounds like the 92s weren’t built to the same standard as A-stock. [If you know what I mean!] Yeah ;D When I was on the Central line 7-8 years ago the cabs were held together with bits of tape so I dread to think what they are like now  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2007 18:33:50 GMT
The emergency equipment cabinet should be stocked with waterproof poncho's and not dets and flags!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2007 19:19:32 GMT
The emergency equipment cabinet should be stocked with waterproof poncho's and not dets and flags! Don’t forget the Gaffa tape! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2007 19:25:51 GMT
92ts, Sponsored by 3m Scotchlite Adhesives Co Ltd.
When they play nicely, they can be good units, apart from weird messages on the computer screen, the DTS, or Data Transmission System, can be a little... err... 'obtuse' at times!
However, reliability is up, thanks to metronet and thier wonderful live analysis system thingy, that can diagnose a unit, even without it being 'on shed'...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2007 19:46:11 GMT
I can’t help wondering if they’ll struggle to make it to 40 years though.
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Post by towerman on Jun 30, 2007 20:48:50 GMT
The worrying thing is they were built by ABB who are now Bombardier.Hope they do better with 09TS and S stock.
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Post by suncloud on Jun 30, 2007 21:47:48 GMT
I found out tonight that the canopies at stations at the east end don't cover where the door openings curve at the top... impromptu shower
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2007 15:49:05 GMT
92ts, was at the time of introduction, the latest available spec. Costing a cool £2m per unit, this cost was included into the Resignalling plan and line upgrade, called Central 2000... If you think about it, the unit cost was 87.5 x £2m, gives us £175m, just for the trains... Now, factor into that te resignalling costs; the total costs being near on £400m...
Think for a moment, of the cost of one 8 car train, when a 6 car 95ts on the Northern cost near on £6m... a whopping increase in just 4 years! And they had 106 trains! 106 x £6m = A lot.
Now, near fifteen years down the road, the trains are showing signs of needing a new heart...
I'm not keen on whats been done at West Rui, the canopies were far better with the older concrete ones... all these needed was some paint and cement!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2007 15:53:18 GMT
I'm not keen on whats been done at West Rui, the canopies were far better with the older concrete ones... all these needed was some paint and cement! What have they put in place of the concrete canopies? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2007 16:01:23 GMT
Horrid steel and glass things... in fact, it's just a steel post with a roof and a few glass panels acting as wind baffles!
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Post by bowchurch on Jul 1, 2007 16:56:39 GMT
I found out tonight that the canopies at stations at the east end don't cover where the door openings curve at the top... impromptu shower There is a point above the track on Mile End platform 1 that gets wet every time it rains. Normally it's not too bad but I remember an incident last year when there was a huge downpour and it looked like the guttering failed. A big column of water came down onto the track mostly landing in the pit leaving the platfrom dry. People start walking forward to have a look - I knew what was coming next so stood well back  Train came in causing the water to get thrown off the curved roof in a huge radius, it managed to soak people as far as the District platform! As they were scattering the train came to a stop lining a set of doors up perfectly with the falling water. Some poor person leaving the train took a direct hit as the doors opened. I suspect this is what happens every few months when Mile End is closed due to flooding. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2007 17:01:55 GMT
And to hit the waterfall as viewed from the cab, can be a bit frightening, if you are not expecting it...
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Post by signalfailure on Jul 2, 2007 22:24:48 GMT
I dont meen big mushrooms, just small ones maybe half inch, would stop anything BUT air comming into the ventilation system!
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