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Post by edb on Nov 16, 2006 9:48:51 GMT
I have heard Vandalism, whats the news. I had fun getting in to work
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Post by Tubeboy on Nov 16, 2006 16:35:31 GMT
I left work at 0630, and when it first came over, it was said it was due to vandalism at West Acton. Nothing West of North Acton was running.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2006 17:46:48 GMT
Never went that way today, because of the problem at the west end... some sources have told me it was something that ended up on the track... but this is unconfirmed...
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Post by version3point1 on Nov 16, 2006 18:04:50 GMT
The Cntral Line, coupled with: - a faulty C' stock at West Ham this morning (causing part suspension on the Hammy until now) - cable run catching fire in the Monument area on the District this morning (causing part suspension until now) encouraged passengers to be angels today.  I heard 'vandalism to signalling equipment' and that traction at White City had to be switched off. When I was travelling this morning, the train in front had to have its passengers detrained at Bethnal Green, then my train had a 15-20 minute wait in the tunnel, then the platform. Hooray for the 90 minutes it took to get into work this morning. |
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Post by Tubeboy on Nov 16, 2006 20:11:12 GMT
That's the spirit! At these times all you can do is grin and bear it.
Got into work about 20 minutes ago, found out it was signal cabling that has been vandalised!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2006 3:18:27 GMT
That's the spirit! At these times all you can do is grin and bear it. Got into work about 20 minutes ago, found out it was signal cabling that has been vandalised! More cut & removed  |
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Post by pakenhamtrain on Nov 17, 2006 4:29:26 GMT
That's the spirit! At these times all you can do is grin and bear it. Got into work about 20 minutes ago, found out it was signal cabling that has been vandalised! More cut & removed Is it copper cable? Copper prices are high apprantly. This could be the case. |
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Post by edb on Nov 17, 2006 8:28:09 GMT
This happened a little while ago on the ELL.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2006 10:12:25 GMT
From what I've been told were looking at professionals and not the local 'chavs'
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Post by Tom on Nov 17, 2006 11:59:09 GMT
From what I've been told were looking at professionals and not the local 'chavs' Opinion is somewhat divided on who is responsible. However it was damage to 12 signalling cables at North Acton Junction. I've just woken up after spending the night there. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2006 12:05:53 GMT
How much redundancy do the signal control feeds from Wood Lane and the local SERs have? Unless the thieves managed to steal an awful lot of cabling I am surprised that you can't simply reroute the control linkages around the breaks to get local control reestablished.
Unless of course the thieves managed to steal the cabling from the SERs to the actual trackside equipment, in which case I sympathize with you - replacing all that cabling must have been reeal fun...
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Post by Phil on Nov 17, 2006 12:59:08 GMT
Without turning this into a rant, it really makes you wish there was a way to insert a 600V ( or greater) 'feed' on top of the signalling circuits. Unlike an electric fence there would be no defence of 'accident' in the case of fatalities due to cutting the cables, since the act would by definition be deliberate.
And the same should be repeated on NR, of course with maximum publicity given beforehand......
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Post by compsci on Nov 17, 2006 13:47:21 GMT
I believe that much of the problem stems from signalling cable being difficult/impossible to distinguish from genuine scrap cable from a building being refurbished etc. Hence it's relatively easy to pass on to scrap merchants, get your money and run.
Could the cable be marked in some way to make it harder to pass off as genuine scrap? It would make it more expensive, but would be worth it if it avoids future thefts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2006 20:33:57 GMT
From what I've been told were looking at professionals and not the local 'chavs' Opinion is somewhat divided on who is responsible. However it was damage to 12 signalling cables at North Acton Junction. I've just woken up after spending the night there. Hope the S/S made you a cup of coffee?  How much cable was removed? or was it just cut? |
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Post by Tom on Nov 18, 2006 13:43:24 GMT
No he didn't ;D. I did get a set of keys for the clips and scotches from him though.
I do know how much was removed though I don't think it advisable to say here.
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Post by Tomcakes on Nov 18, 2006 13:48:01 GMT
Begs the question - how is it possible to cut through cables and remove them without electrocuting yourself?
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Post by stanmorek on Nov 18, 2006 14:42:24 GMT
Assuming these aren't the high voltage traction variety? Armoured cables.
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Post by stanmorek on Nov 18, 2006 14:44:08 GMT
Without turning this into a rant, it really makes you wish there was a way to insert a 600V ( or greater) 'feed' on top of the signalling circuits. Unlike an electric fence there would be no defence of 'accident' in the case of fatalities due to cutting the cables, since the act would by definition be deliberate. And the same should be repeated on NR, of course with maximum publicity given beforehand...... Now that would be breaking the law |
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Post by Tom on Nov 18, 2006 21:05:25 GMT
Begs the question - how is it possible to cut through cables and remove them without electrocuting yourself? Insulated tools. And if you've already cut the feed cable to something you make the whole circuit dead before you cut the return. |
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