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Post by rob66 on Aug 7, 2006 12:09:56 GMT
Went to visit line yesterday-did London Underground remove all the juice rails.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2006 12:28:33 GMT
No, Pilot Developments did. No matter what some may think, I feel it was a reasonable move, as I highly doubt that the HSE (now the HMRI, thankfully) would have allowed a preservation group to run unshielded ground electrification.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2006 16:06:09 GMT
No, Pilot Developments did. No matter what some may think, I feel it was a reasonable move, as I highly doubt that the HSE (now the HMRI, thankfully) would have allowed a preservation group to run unshielded ground electrification. Quite right, it's just too damn dangerous for an unaccountable preservation society to use, even if they had lots of professionally trained staff, not to mention expensive to run anyway (and the EOR is hardly at present a high-profile heritage railway, able to afford such maintenance costs). Diesel and steam are the way to go and always will be (although even they have their safety issues, which is why the HMRI are very strict)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2006 16:32:07 GMT
I don't follow the logic here. Surely any railway is a pretty dangerous thing to run!
If HMRI are happy that heritage railways meet the numerous safety standards required to carry the public, why should electric traction be that much of an extra problem?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2006 17:14:02 GMT
Because it's unshielded, i.e. top-contact. If it were bottom-contact electrification, like the DLR, the HMRI might be less disinclined to permit a preservation group to operate it.
As it is, the power rails are not likely to come back to the route, and honestly I don't think their removal is as bad as some might think.
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Post by Phil on Aug 7, 2006 21:30:22 GMT
If HMRI are happy that heritage railways meet the numerous safety standards required to carry the public, why should electric traction be that much of an extra problem? Because heritage railway staff are almost all volunteers and some of them do not even have the equivalent of a PTS (even WSR only introduced their version of a PTS this year and then only for new staff). As such, not being real railwaymen on a daily basis, they take much longer to develop 'instinctive' safety on and around the line, and to add a 3rd/4th rail into the mix is just asking for trouble.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2006 22:25:11 GMT
Oh, I had no idea standards were so lax!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2006 7:28:27 GMT
Then there's the cost of power and the need to maintain the traction rails (and permanent way volunteers are hard to come by as it is for the running rails!). Just ain't gonna happpen.
adw, the standards I suppose are that lax because of the 25mph limit (so poorer track isn't so much of an issue, and it's safer for people on the line than being in the presence of an HST), the volunteer element (scaring them all off with paperwork and umpteen regulations isn't a good idea!) and because it's a comparatively amateur operation overall. As long as the basic requirements are met then they're happy (as happy as a safety executive can be, I guess!).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2006 7:38:42 GMT
And Heritage Railways hold open days, when us 'orrible lot get to walk around on the track near staions and depots etc...
Imagine that with 3rd or 4th Rail!
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Post by mowat on Aug 9, 2006 13:50:13 GMT
I understand it being to dangerous but I have read somwere that East Kent Railway were thinking about electrifying there line so they could run there 2 EPB and 4 CEP under there own power. It would be nice if the Epping to Ongar line could be re electrified and even stock would not be a problem whith the CHTL 1960 and 1962 stock units, the LT Museum's 1938 and Q stock units and maybe even the CO/CP stock unit at Quainton Road, plus the possibility of a 1959 stock four car unit and standard stock in the future.
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 9, 2006 14:22:48 GMT
I would like the line re-electrified but the cost and headaches to bring it about would mean it would not happen for many years, if at all.
Maybe it could become a working museum for tube stock?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2006 21:27:40 GMT
Well it's not out of the question I suppose Tubeboy but the Railway will need to gain the trust of HMRI for some years and build up the funds to be able to run a 4th rail system.
On the other hand, the Railway has to consider its target market and old tube stock is fairly narrow when compared to, yes, you guessed it, the ever popular steam.
Plus, I believe all the old juice rails were sold back to LU or a contractor! ;D (So an order for new ones will be necessary, heh)
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Post by Ben on Aug 19, 2006 0:09:36 GMT
Did anyone else notice that this thread is entitled 'Eppint to Ongar'... It had been noticed - but we all knew what Rob meant. It's now corrected Colin.
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Post by rob66 on Aug 19, 2006 9:17:21 GMT
Never noticed before -Epping was spelt Eppint. Slip of the keyboard I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2006 12:10:04 GMT
Oh, I had no idea standards were so lax! I volunteer on a 12inch guage railway, and as I work on PWAY we all wear the correct PPE (incl steel toe cap boots). It is surprising how many other members think it ok to walk around with no Hivi or strudy shoes. It is probabley bvecause most of us on Pway all work on a railway in our day to day jobs, so we are well aware of safety standards.
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Post by agoodcuppa on Aug 19, 2006 13:33:59 GMT
It is surprising how many other members think it ok to walk around with no Hivi or strudy shoes. I suspect there's a subconcious thought that because it's only a "little" train it won't hurt you. Sadly it will probably take thirty or forty tons (or whatever a train weighs) in the kneecap for them to learn otherwise and the railway to get a blot on it's copybook.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2006 14:47:21 GMT
I suspect there's a subconcious thought that because it's only a "little" train it won't hurt you. Sadly it will probably take thirty or forty tons (or whatever a train weighs) in the kneecap for them to learn . Aye thats it. Just because they may be smaller, they still can cause damage if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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