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Post by Phil on Jun 16, 2006 21:28:37 GMT
1. Admin comment: go ahead biolizard. Do as much advertising as you like - Epping to Ongar was LT then LU so all our members have an active interest in the future as much as the past.
BTW advertising fees on the forum are.... ;D ;D ;D
2. It's sad to see the disputes on heritage railways. West Somerset Railway has managed to avoid this, whether by luck or judgment. For instance there is a very active WSR Association which raises money, publicises the railway, has meetings etc and one of its directors on the WSR board. It also has its own PW gang and an S&T team. (And yes, one company board member is on the WSRA board!!!)
BUT all operations are run by the railway itself. Rostering for ops. volunteers is done on a volunteer basis but you do not have to be an WSRA member to volunteer.
The company has its own (full-time) PW gang and S&T dept which do the day-to-day repairs and maintenance, the association gangs concentrating more on projects and upgrades.
When I book on (as a volunteer) it is for the railway not the WSRA.
We have been told we are unique in our friendly relationship but we are quite large as they go, and this makes things easier (services 7 days a week 10 months a year) because we all know who does what.
I hope that the factions up at Ongar can get together like this - it don't 'arf make life easier.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2006 22:31:12 GMT
They are the Epping-Ongar Railway Volunteer Society, the EORVS, who supposedly operate the line by direction of an outfit called "Epping-Ongar Railway Limited", who may or may not be the same as Pilot Developments. Nah, the EORVS is almost totally separate from EOR Ltd. (As I'm a member of EORVS), bar a few meetings between the Chairman of the EORVS and EOR Ltd. every so often (no-one else, including me, has contact with them in general). The relationship is very distant, EOR Ltd. own the stuff and EORVS use it to run a service out of the good of their hearts, and that's as far as it goes, why is why I've attempted in this thread to create a distinction between the two, since usually it's EORVS who get the bad press from those who think we're one organisation, when it is EOR Ltd. who are screwing things up left, right and centre. Remember, all flak to be directed at EOR Ltd.! I was trying not to imply that the EORVS was part of EOR Ltd; in fact I was implying the exact opposite. By saying that EORVS operates the line "by direction" of EOR Ltd. I meant that the group, while having no formal relationship with the line (i.e. ownership or lease) it nevertheless has been made responsible for maintaining it and running the services on it. This relationship has apparently been misconstrued by certain parties; some EORVS members have told me that certain vandal-related activities often occur on the line, possibly performed by people who are in reality opposed to someone other than the EORVS. When necessary I have tried to maintain the distinction between the two organisations as well, but it is difficult to do so because so many people are, as you say, misinformed as to what the exact setup is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2006 8:21:35 GMT
I was trying not to imply that the EORVS was part of EOR Ltd; in fact I was implying the exact opposite. Very sorry TOK  Reading your post a second time I understand your true implication now! To answer your question, EOR Ltd. are indeed Pilot Developments (changed their name a short while back) |
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Post by rob66 on Jun 17, 2006 8:41:15 GMT
I was going to put a surprise photo on here (east end of Epping ) cannot seem to achieve this task. I've tried copy/paste and everyway I could think of. Can anyone out there, tell me the right way - please.
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Post by Tomcakes on Jun 17, 2006 12:08:55 GMT
You need to upload it to some webspace (or a service such as , then use the syntax
[img]http://your.image.url[/img]
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Post by trc666 on Jun 25, 2006 20:12:34 GMT
A 92 stock ran to Ongar once during trials. Can anyone tell me when this took place? I've heard there is a photo of the 92 stock unit at North Weald somewhere on the net but I can't find it. Anyone point me in the right direction? And don't say Google because I've tried, believe me!
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Post by Oracle on Jun 25, 2006 20:22:21 GMT
This would definitely be in the back copies of UNDERGROUND NEWS by the London Underground Railway Society..and I know members of this forum have back copies hopefully with the annual index!
Off topic I have hear a rumour that a 38TS was hauled to Ally Pally by a steam loco for gauging purposes but have never substantiated it.
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Post by mandgc on Jun 25, 2006 23:44:18 GMT
'38 to Ally Pally.
This is understandable seeing that the '38s were tested through the Tube Sections for clearance.
A Battery Loco might have been more convenient.
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Post by rob66 on Jun 26, 2006 8:32:54 GMT
I might have a photo in my collection of 92 stock at North Weald ? (have to search) I know I've seen it somewhere. Got 38 and 62 stock at North Weald and a steam train at Blake Hall.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2006 17:27:28 GMT
me too - 8 car at north Weald - I'll haul myself into the reading gallery and locate it!
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Post by Oracle on Jun 27, 2006 17:47:12 GMT
Did they not run 8-cars or was it two 4-cars when the North Weald air display was on each year? They used to reverse at NW using a shuttle from Epping if I recall.
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Post by rob66 on Jun 27, 2006 20:42:17 GMT
No, because the platforms at North Weald and Blake Hall wasn't long enough. Ongar had a long platform, but the starting signal was positioned only for 4 cars. When they did run the 8 car to Ongar, the signalman at Epping cleared the signal at Ongar before the train arrived for its return journey. This can be done on a single line, providing the starter signal was at danger at Epping.
Another reason why 4 cars were used, because the traction current was fed from Epping substation (single end feed) and also supplied traction current just before Loughton. The voltage on the Ongar section was far less than the main, especially when two trains were running at the same time.
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Post by Oracle on Jun 27, 2006 21:37:08 GMT
Yes I have read several times about the current 'feed' and how it was allegedly done on the cheap. I have also heard that when the NW air display was on, using two trains could cause problems if both started at the same time.
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Post by ribaric on Jun 29, 2006 14:51:16 GMT
The reverser key switch had a metal plate added to prevent the T/Op from selecting the normal "rate 2" acceleration position. Only rate 1 was available and this reduced the current drawing capacity of the two 4-car trains. Bit of a patch-up job at best and it wasn't unusual for the breakers at Epping to open under such conditions.
I reckon the EPP-ONG line holds the record for the number of pheasants killed. Stupid birds would wait until you approached before running onto the track. Just thought I'd add that, I don't know why!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2006 16:02:50 GMT
I reckon the EPP-ONG line holds the record for the number of pheasants killed. Stupid birds would wait until you approached before running onto the track. Just thought I'd add that, I don't know why! They're slightly more intelligent these days and don't tend to get hit (afaik anyway!) but they do like to play 'chicken' with the trains.... |
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Post by towerman on Jun 29, 2006 18:45:02 GMT
In later years those plates disappeared,but we didn't have too many problems with breakers dropping out.
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Post by Tubeboy on Jun 29, 2006 19:13:16 GMT
An 8 car unit of 92ts stock travelled from Epping-Ongar on the 13th july 1993. There are pictures of the train at North Weald and Blake Hall [travelling towards Ongar].They are in the October 1993 issue of underground news. I am certain I have seen a colour picture of this particular run [above 2 photos are b/w], again in underground news, but cant find it, although I will!.
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Post by rob66 on Jun 29, 2006 20:50:29 GMT
We used to put up the flag to get an extra 5mph out of it. Often got speeds up to 70mph going towards Ongar, excepting if the rails were slippery.
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Post by Phil on Jun 29, 2006 21:56:02 GMT
An 8 car unit of 92ts stock travelled from Epping-Ongar on the 13th july 1993. There are pictures of the train at North Weald and Blake Hall [travelling towards Ongar].They are in the October 1993 issue of underground news. I am certain I have seen a colour picture of this particular run [above 2 photos are b/w], again in underground news, but cant find it, although I will!. I think we've had the colour pic you're talking about on the forum somewhere: I've looked for it but it isn't in any of the obvious places. If I do find it I'll link to it. |
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Post by ribaric on Jun 30, 2006 9:53:01 GMT
Was this when only one train operated? It was only when two trains were running and probably only then when a "main line" train was leaving Epping. Perhaps the Central line project power supply upgrade helped a bit too?
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Post by Tubeboy on Jun 30, 2006 12:06:36 GMT
Found it!! It is in the February 2000 issue of underground news. The train no is 495, with DM 91033 leading [from Ongar]. Just as interesting, is a photo on the back cover of the December 1996 edition. It shows an 8 car unit [1491+1617] being hauled by battery locos, L53+L49. The two locos are in multiple, not top and tail mode and are pictured near Blake Hall. This working took place on the 18th october 1996. The caption says it is probably the longest [this one being over 500 ft] train that has operated on the branch, since it was electrified in 1957.
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Post by Oracle on Jun 30, 2006 12:53:39 GMT
Does it say WHY they had an 8-car + batteries?
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Post by Tubeboy on Jun 30, 2006 13:22:13 GMT
No, thats the annoying thing!!!!
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Post by ribaric on Jul 1, 2006 11:57:31 GMT
Sounds like that 8-car was knackered. I remember a case where a 4-car broke down and another 4-car was sent to pull it out but someone forgot the presspahns (tut tut) so now there a dud 8 car with no easy way of uncoupling them on the road. Batt locos will have been the only answer.... is my guess.
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Post by Ben on Jul 1, 2006 19:43:42 GMT
Two seperate rakes of 8 cars each were pushed towards Ongar at differant times after the line was closed 'pending a decision on the future opperations'. Suffice to say all cars were eventually heavily vandalised and removed (by road i think) for scrap.
I believe someone made this point before somewhere but if in the 50's LT had doubled the entire line to Ongar and electrifyed it properly, running London services etc, its interesting to speculate as to whether it would still be going as the eastern Terminus of the Central
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Post by Tubeboy on Jul 1, 2006 20:11:03 GMT
There were plans werent there to link it with Chelmsford on the Great Eastern, seeing as Ongar was opened by the GER in 1865.
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Post by ribaric on Jul 2, 2006 9:31:49 GMT
I saw some plans in the old library in 55 Broadway (a long time ago - that area is now the shopping precinct) which showed that Debden sidings were built on a huge concete bunker. This was so that, at a future date, the bunker would become a two-track tunnel portal for a new underground section to run to......  My memory tells me it was to Harlow but it was along time ago. If you look at Debden sidings today, you can still see the concrete apron, the current sidings are located where the up/down ramp would have been built. I recall reading that the geography at Ongar pretty much excluded any cost-effective plan to extend the line from there. I know this is west of Epping but hey! |
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Post by rob66 on Jul 2, 2006 12:58:40 GMT
I shall always remember many years ago, that we used a 59 stock from the Pic line to work on the Ongar line. The side-play was so bad - they decided to change it for a 62 stock.
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Post by Ben on Jul 2, 2006 13:00:19 GMT
I would love to see that library. They must have proposals for everything in there from over the years
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Post by rob66 on Jul 2, 2006 13:10:12 GMT
The Ongar line was supposed to end at Dunmow, until they decided against it. Although parliamentary sanction was also obtained for this extension - it was never built.
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Reading your post a second time I understand your true implication now!
