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Post by towerman on Apr 28, 2006 18:58:29 GMT
Maybe T/Op92 can answer this,caught T50 this evening at Mile End EB,the last 2 cars 91291-92291 only had emergency lights and no traction when we moved off.As soon as we entered the tunnel the main lights came back,but halfway to Stratford they went out and stayed that way till Stratford where I got off.Any ideas what the problem was?I suspect static convertor trouble.
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Post by Colin on Apr 28, 2006 20:27:34 GMT
Or could it be +ve shoes missing on one side?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2006 21:28:06 GMT
*fx - pages in notebook being turned*
Ah 91291... Suspected Faulty Stat. Conv. or missing +ve shoes, e/b @ 14.11 on 25th April.
Hmm been like that for three days now according to my notes. Kept having the motors drop out when I had that end. No messages on the DTS, also according to my notes.
Most likely missing shoes on that unit...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2006 21:30:20 GMT
Sorry to maybe be pointing out something stupid, but wouldn't having the motors drop out, cause you to lose the pilot light?
Or, is it simply just a sluggish, slow and frustrating journey?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2006 21:36:01 GMT
Losing traction, could be caused by someon leaning on the doors, in which case, the Doors Closed Visual [aka Pilot Light] would go out, and around 20 seconds later [by my timings!!!] you get a message on the DTS monitor.
Also, motors dropping out could be caused by problems with the Traction Auxilliary.
Your first recognition of losing traction itself is the loss of Main car Lighting, and a slow journey.
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Post by prjb on Apr 28, 2006 21:38:46 GMT
Sorry to maybe be pointing out something stupid, but wouldn't having the motors drop out, cause you to lose the pilot light? Or, is it simply just a sluggish, slow and frustrating journey? No, you can have motors drop out for all sorts of reasons of which one is loss of pilot light. You lose your traction if you lose your pilot light but not the other way around. |
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Post by prjb on Apr 28, 2006 21:39:43 GMT
*fx - pages in notebook being turned* Ah 91291... Suspected Faulty Stat. Conv. or missing +ve shoes, e/b @ 14.11 on 25th April. Hmm been like that for three days now according to my notes. Kept having the motors drop out when I had that end. No messages on the DTS, also according to my notes. Most likely missing shoes on that unit... Have you reported this to your DMT's? I mean rather than logging it in the defect log book? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2006 22:10:17 GMT
I make a point of doing this now - even resorted to phoning the DDM at Ruislip and Hainault on many occasions to let them know because I'm sick and tired of seeing 'Ok on Prep' written in the book when the fault reapprears... Since one too many incidents of having a faulty train that came to a grinding halt with no message/warning tone on the DTS, I have always backed up myself by filling in the UDL, making a note in my book and reporting to a colleague who takes me off AND also referring the matter to DMT level. I've also started getting the Train techincian to countersign the entry in my notebook, to say that it's been rectified, NDF or whatever...
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Post by prjb on Apr 28, 2006 23:54:46 GMT
Blimey!  If you are still not getting a positive response it is completely unsatisfactory. A DDM should act on any information given and ensure that defects are rectified once reported. If this persists (and not trying to teach you to suck eggs) may I suggest that you ask the DMT to call the DDM whilst you are present or even request that the information you have passed on is logged? When a driver goes out of his way to be professional beyond the point of his job description, the least we can do is ensure that the information provided is acted upon.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2006 0:02:19 GMT
This is a regular thing now, apparently on all lines.
The District is a prime example. I had a train which obviously had motors out, and had a defect card logging this going back over a month, and every time it was written "NDF in depot".
The train was struggling to get up to 30mph even with both flags up, and as there was no call-point man available, it had to be just signed off again... What's the betting it will have made a miraculous recovery on crossing the depot boundary?
The train caused me to lose 10 mins between Barking and Earl's Court, which if you know how slack the District calendar timetable is of an evening, is quite an achievement!
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Post by prjb on Apr 29, 2006 0:07:15 GMT
If you can and if one is available you can always ask for a DMT to attend, at the very least he will confirm the defect in his report which will raise the issue at an attribution level (once it costs them money MRSSL should sit up and take action). If a train has been logged with this type of fault on numerous occasions the depot should take the train out on a test run too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2006 0:10:45 GMT
If you can and if one is available you can always ask for a DMT to attend, at the very least he will confirm the defect Always assuming the DMT is capable of recognising the defect. |
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Post by prjb on Apr 29, 2006 0:17:43 GMT
He/She bl~~dy well should be! |
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Post by Colin on Apr 29, 2006 0:24:41 GMT
I had a train today with "previous book full" on the cover (so theres a clue before I even look inside  ). I peer inside to read of numerous defects including three separate reports of motor problems AND three seperate reports of weak brakes. All six entries had NDF - get road fitter to confirm". We are taught that when defect handling, three things can prove a fault. Hmmmm.................a little clue there me thinks............ |
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Post by prjb on Apr 29, 2006 0:31:42 GMT
I know it goes on, but it doesn't make it right. Get a fitter, get a DMT, get the L/C involved if the fault is service affecting. The more these faults are reported the less chance they have to ignore them. I know that the depot staff are busy, I know they are under staffed in some cases and under pressure to maintain service levels but it is still unacceptable to constantly NDF genuine problems (particularly traction faults).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2006 18:11:00 GMT
When some the the car lights are out, doing an AUX reset does the trick too......
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2006 22:24:57 GMT
Yeah, 90% of the time it works.... the other 10% it causes summat else to crop up!
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2006 10:11:20 GMT
Greetings There is always another line of investigation that i use, IF i can find three Fault Report Centre Job numbers relating to the same defect on the same unit, the Line Controller can, with the DLCMs assistance, have the unit stopped until its properly fixed with a test run. I've done this a few times, and it seems to work, its not something to be used every day for everyday things, but that car number rings a bell with me, and that is a perfect example of a unit that should be "stopped" Charmed Phil ginstersrailwayphotos.fotopic.net/ |
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). I peer inside to read of numerous defects including three separate reports of motor problems AND three seperate reports of weak brakes. All six entries had NDF - get road fitter to confirm".
