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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2006 23:33:14 GMT
I am aware that ATO is not used on Sundays. Is manual driving used on Bank Holidays where the Sunday WTT is used or is this strictly used on that day of the week?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2006 23:38:07 GMT
To quote from WTT63: Automatic Train Operation must be used at all times, except Sundays.
Pure and simple explanation that. Of course if the train has an ATO fault, then it's Coded Manual.
PM on the way shortly, Alexh...
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Post by mandgc on Mar 19, 2006 2:10:04 GMT
Is the Manual Driving in order for the Drivers to keep their hand in?, or for Maintenance ? , or for what ??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2006 8:53:31 GMT
Help drivers remember how to drive the trains!
I hear they're trying to introduce CM driving off peak through the central section TOp92... Looking forward to it?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2006 9:46:03 GMT
There have been many accidents on other metro systems caused by inexperienced drivers driving in manual on systems which are usually run in ATO. Thus it is a good idea to allow manual driving at enough times to keep the drivers competent (as on the Central Line), or to only allow manual driving in restricted manual.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2006 14:08:11 GMT
the reason for the use of Manual Driving on Sundays is to keep T/Op's line knowledge up to date. After a while, you tend to 'forget' about the position of braking points, Speed restrictions etc. You 'forget' because the computer does it for you...
Tho somethimes, the computer forgets too.
I've heard the rumours of Off Peak Manual Operation for a while now. surprised it's actually going through. Humans just cannot drive the trains the way a computer can. In some ways I'm looking forward to it. Gives me a chance to take a little pleasure out of slowing down the 'midday coummuter'... [en route from lunch back to office]. ;D
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Post by Phil on Mar 19, 2006 15:32:06 GMT
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Post by prjb on Mar 25, 2006 13:40:47 GMT
Thinking for the future is to remove any PM/CM actual line driving requirement altogether and rely on simulators to maintain an Operator's manual driving skills. With the advent of much more realistic modern simulators this is a much more viable option than you would first think.
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Post by Colin on Mar 25, 2006 13:50:28 GMT
All well and good - but a simulator cannot replace the 'feel' of a train. Every train has it's own characteristics and performs differently.
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Post by prjb on Mar 25, 2006 13:56:16 GMT
True, but you can factor that in to the program. You can even add realistic movement through the use of hydraulics. Also, the need for full speed protected manual driving is going to be so rare once full migration is achieved the question has to be asked if there is a need for 'on the road' driver training for PM type modes. Lets face it, most manual driving will be done due to a failure of some kind which most likely will mean switching to slow speed RM type modes anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2006 23:14:16 GMT
Ah yes - but what about those occasions where a train slightly overruns a platform, or has an ATO fault?
Methinks we should be using ATO less. It's a godsend in the peak, but outside the peak it really isn't needed, and just leads to the driver getting bored sh*tless...
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Post by prjb on Mar 25, 2006 23:38:41 GMT
I couldn't agree more, I for one am glad that I no longer drive. I could not handle being in ATO all day long, and liked to be in control of my own train.
Where slight overruns occur the new systems should carry out auto door cut out, and generally on full overruns they will continue to the next station.
With most ATO faults you most likely won't have ATP, which means you won't get an LMA, which means you will be forced into RM anyway. (Phew!).
You also need to factor in that with LU's crazy mileage policy and the JTC contracts with the Infraco's, we will be running 'peak' services all day anyway!
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