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Post by Christopher J on Jan 27, 2006 14:40:01 GMT
How strict are LUL towards their Uniform policy? I.e. if a member of staff booked on for duty in an unauthorised piece of clothing what be the consequence for turning up in it? I’m just curious because if anyone on here has ever been to France and used SNCF Railways (or has the Marseille to Paris Drivers TGV Eye View by Video125) you will notice that the drivers over there don’t wear any uniform at all! The driver in the TGV DEV turns up in Jeans and T-Shirt!  Also the P-way gangs on SNCF wear minimal Hi-Vi clothing when wandering the track. |
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Post by mowat on Jan 27, 2006 15:10:03 GMT
How strict are towards their Uniform policy, I.e. if a member of staff booked on for duty in an unauthorised piece of clothing what be the consequence for turning up in it? I’m just curious because if anyone on here has ever been to France and used SNCF Railways (or has the Marseille to Paris Drivers TGV Eye View by Video125) you will notice that the drivers over there don’t wear any uniform at all! The driver in the TGV DEV turns up in Jeans and T-Shirt! Also the P-way gangs on SNCF wear minimal Hi-Vi clothing when wandering the track. The drivers on the Island Line don't were uniform ether.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2006 16:19:50 GMT
We get a full uniform and have to wear it. Some drivers mix and match old with new, not strictly allowed but normally a blind eye is turned. Some drivers wear their own coats over their uniform to avoid problems when travelling home, again not really allowed. If you run out of something and threaten to come in in jeans and T shirt you normally get it replaced pretty quick, as happened to me recently when I didn't get my new issue trousers .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2006 18:05:57 GMT
I go on the principle that they have provided you clothes to wear, so why wear, and dirty your own?
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Post by Chris M on Jan 27, 2006 18:13:40 GMT
Some drivers wear their own coats over their uniform to avoid problems when travelling home, again not really allowed. I don't understand why this would be an issue? Surely once a member of staff is off duty it is their choice what they wear? I understand why there is the restriction on wearing your uniform to a pub, but I don't see what problems wearing your own coat over your uniform when off duty could bring? Chris |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2006 18:23:01 GMT
Some drivers wear their own coats over their uniform to avoid problems when travelling home, again not really allowed. I don't understand why this would be an issue? Surely once a member of staff is off duty it is their choice what they wear? I understand why there is the restriction on wearing your uniform to a pub, but I don't see what problems wearing your own coat over your uniform when off duty could bring? Chris The problem is that those drivers wear their coats over their uniform during the working day as well, e.g. changing ends. |
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Post by CSLR on Jan 27, 2006 18:44:46 GMT
I understand why there is the restriction on wearing your uniform to a pub, but I don't see what problems wearing your own coat over your uniform when off duty could bring? While interviewing some retired members of staff many years ago, I heard a lovely story that is connected to this in a roundabout way. It appears that an elderly employee of one of the tube railways around a century ago was dismissed for a minor offence. He was sent home and told to bring his uniform in the following day. The next day he turned up in his uniform and was again sent home with the same instructions. After doing this for several days, his manager asked if he did not understand what he was being told. He replied that he had worked for the company for so long that his uniform was now the only clothing that he had. By a fluke, his employment record for that period still survives. It records his dismissal and alongside is a note added a few days later. I cannot recall from memory the exact wording but it is something to the effect, "Re-employed on compassionate grounds." |
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Post by traveller1030 on Jan 27, 2006 19:17:38 GMT
How strict are LUL towards their Uniform policy? I.e. if a member of staff booked on for duty in an unauthorised piece of clothing what be the consequence for turning up in it? I’m just curious because if anyone on here has ever been to France and used SNCF Railways (or has the Marseille to Paris Drivers TGV Eye View by Video125) you will notice that the drivers over there don’t wear any uniform at all! The driver in the TGV DEV turns up in Jeans and T-Shirt! Also the P-way gangs on SNCF wear minimal Hi-Vi clothing when wandering the track. SNCF is a strange beast - you'll have the very proud staff like those I met at Gare St. Lazare about five-and-a-half years ago, fully decked out in uniform (IIRC a fetching blue not too dissimilar to the original 'Toytown' LU uniforms), then you do indeed have drivers you can't tell from Adam because they aren't wearing any SNCF regalia apart from the odd ID badge on display. I have to admit in the times we're in of constant high alert, it makes sense for all staff on duty to be identifiable by their uniform - I am intrigued by Jim's comments that you aren't allowed to wear your own coat over uniform on your way home - I presume this is because the uniform is only supposed to be worn on duty... if not, I don't see the problem with mixing and matching in your own time on your way to or from work, and I'd have thought LU would be grateful for the 'extra' uniformed presence even if strictly off-duty. Slightly off-topic, but which genius thought of the latest klobber kitting out some of the 'yoots' around the manor, utilising the LU roundel then where you'd expect to find 'UNDERGROUND' you'll find 'EAST' or 'SOUTH' - I noticed these pop up particularly after 7th July, and it is nice to see the kids take a bit of pride in where they come from, even if strictly speaking the roundel is being abused for that purpose. I like it though, and am sorely tempted to get myself an 'EAST' woolly hat - my ears haven't half been getting cold these last few nights! |
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Post by Phil on Jan 27, 2006 20:05:23 GMT
I understand why there is the restriction on wearing your uniform to a pub, but I don't see what problems wearing your own coat over your uniform when off duty could bring? While interviewing some retired members of staff many years ago, I heard a lovely story that is connected to this in a roundabout way. It appears that an elderly employee of one of the tube railways around a century ago was dismissed for a minor offence. He was sent home and told to bring his uniform in the following day. The next day he turned up in his uniform and was again sent home with the same instructions. After doing this for several days, his manager asked if he did not understand what he was being told. He replied that he had worked for the company for so long that his uniform was now the only clothing that he had. By a fluke, his employment record for that period still survives. It records his dismissal and alongside is a note added a few days later. I cannot recall from memory the exact wording but it is something to the effect, "Re-employed on compassionate grounds." That's brilliant - not only from the compassionate point of view either. Fancy records still surviving! Let's have more of these CSLR! |
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Post by Christopher J on Jan 27, 2006 23:24:07 GMT
Slightly off-topic, but which genius thought of the latest klobber kitting out some of the 'yoots' around the manor, utilising the LU roundel then where you'd expect to find 'UNDERGROUND' you'll find 'EAST' or 'SOUTH' - I noticed these pop up particularly after 7th July, and it is nice to see the kids take a bit of pride in where they come from, even if strictly speaking the roundel is being abused for that purpose. I like it though, and am sorely tempted to get myself an 'EAST' woolly hat - my ears haven't half been getting cold these last few nights! I've noticed them too, see a photo by Annie Mole here - www.flickr.com/photos/anniemole/61404197/I've also seen another cap which had a variety of tags/logos on it and it had 'Angel' in a LUL roundel printed on the side. (copy of the roundel from the Northern Line station) |
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Post by Colin on Jan 28, 2006 3:24:47 GMT
I am intrigued by Jim's comments that you aren't allowed to wear your own coat over uniform on your way home - I presume this is because the uniform is only supposed to be worn on duty... if not, I don't see the problem with mixing and matching in your own time on your way to or from work, and I'd have thought LU would be grateful for the 'extra' uniformed presence even if strictly off-duty. The problem is that those drivers wear their coats over their uniform during the working day as well, e.g. changing ends. As adw had already answered - it's not the going to/from home thing, that is why they have their own coats; it's the fact that these people wear their own coats whilst on duty. In answer to the original question though - strictly speaking, incorrect/missing items of uniform means you are sent home with no pay. Of course the rules are often bent by management to suit  ;D |
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Post by dunois on Jan 28, 2006 13:48:41 GMT
How strict are LUL towards their Uniform policy? I.e. if a member of staff booked on for duty in an unauthorised piece of clothing what be the consequence for turning up in it? I’m just curious because if anyone on here has ever been to France and used SNCF Railways (or has the Marseille to Paris Drivers TGV Eye View by Video125) you will notice that the drivers over there don’t wear any uniform at all! The driver in the TGV DEV turns up in Jeans and T-Shirt! Also the P-way gangs on SNCF wear minimal Hi-Vi clothing when wandering the track. It is almost the same thing for the RATP (except for the track staff) where only a minority of the drivers wear their uniforms. Sometimes they tend to mix uniform and casual clothing but you can also see full uniforms or full casual clothes as well. Personnally I think that it's far more professional to wear a uniform. |
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