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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2005 17:18:59 GMT
Why was the siding at Greenford replaced with the siding at Northolt?
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Post by q8 on Sept 10, 2005 20:09:51 GMT
In a word............ Yes
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Post by Tom on Sept 10, 2005 20:39:30 GMT
Further housing development at Northolt with consequential increase in traffic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2005 7:36:44 GMT
Further housing development at Northolt with consequential increase in traffic. Thanks. I was thinking about it from the perspective of the stations themselves - namely, terminating trains at Greenford makes slightly more sense due to the interchange with NR services, whereas terminating at Northolt leaves folks sitting in the middle of nowhere. But if passenger numbers needed the move, then I guess it was a good idea - even though I have never seen a train using the siding or sitting in the siding. |
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Post by q8 on Sept 11, 2005 9:52:16 GMT
Used to be regular Northolt reversers in the peaks. Sometimes Saturdays too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2005 12:53:08 GMT
Thanks. I was thinking about it from the perspective of the stations themselves - namely, terminating trains at Greenford makes slightly more sense due to the interchange with NR services, whereas terminating at Northolt leaves folks sitting in the middle of nowhere. But if passenger numbers needed the move, then I guess it was a good idea - even though I have never seen a train using the siding or sitting in the siding. Greenford NR is a 6 day service that runs every 30 Mins and finishes by 10pm. Northolt LU interchanges directly with 5 bus routes (4 are 7 day and one of those runs 24/7) plus another a couple of hundred yards down the road. Northolt therefore (IMHO) wins hands down from an interchange perspective. The siding at Northolt is used regularly Monday to Friday with, I think, 3 or 4 trains per hour reversing in peak hours. As a long term user of the West Ruslip branch of the line, passenger numbers definitely thin out dramatically once out past Northolt. In 2004 Northolt had approx 100,000 more passenger entrance/ exits than Greenford. Going West, the final three stations on the line had COMBINED passenger numbers less than 10% higher than Northolt alone. Detailed station stats may be seen here. All numbers suggest that Northolt is definitely the correct reversing spot. I accept that passengers may have followed any development of the railway, but for once the planners seem to have got it right. [Edit: 29 March 2008 to fix broken link to station passenger statistics.] |
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Post by Tom on Sept 11, 2005 12:57:13 GMT
In 2004 Northolt had approx 100,000 more passenger entrance/ exits than Greenford. Don't I know it - you all take the seats so I have to stand... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2005 14:01:57 GMT
Thanks. I was thinking about it from the perspective of the stations themselves - namely, terminating trains at Greenford makes slightly more sense due to the interchange with NR services, whereas terminating at Northolt leaves folks sitting in the middle of nowhere. But if passenger numbers needed the move, then I guess it was a good idea - even though I have never seen a train using the siding or sitting in the siding. Greenford NR is a 6 day service that runs every 30 Mins and finishes by 10pm. Northolt LU interchanges directly with 5 bus routes (4 are 7 day and one of those runs 24/7) plus another a couple of hundred yards down the road. Northolt therefore (IMHO) wins hands down from an interchange perspective. Surely Greenford also has bus routes? I'll admit that the NR service might be pretty bad, but in-station NR + bus might sound "better" to some than bus only. Still though, six bus routes is quite good - I can see why a siding at Northolt is such a win. The siding at Northolt is used regularly Monday to Friday with, I think, 3 or 4 trains per hour reversing in peak hours. As a long term user of the West Ruslip branch of the line, passenger numbers definitely thin out dramatically once out past Northolt. In 2004 Northolt had approx 100,000 more passenger entrance/ exits than Greenford. Going West, the final three stations on the line had COMBINED passenger numbers less than 10% higher than Northolt alone. Detailed station stats may be seen here. Whoa. It seems to me that Chiltern does a lot of business at the Ruislips ;D All numbers suggest that Northolt is definitely the correct reversing spot. I accept that passengers may have followed any development of the railway, but for once the planners seem to have got it right. Indeed. With such data as that I can understand completely why a siding at Northolt is so much more useful than one at Greenford. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2005 15:51:00 GMT
Whoa. It seems to me that Chiltern does a lot of business at the Ruislips ;D  Absolutely not! Sorry... now veering off topic. Up until 3 or 4 years ago South Ruislip was advertised as THE major interchange with the Chiltern Line. However Chiltern now seem to be concentrating on passengers from outside the zones. We now have a situation where Chiltern Railways passenger use at the Ruislips (particularly off peak) appears to be decreasing, specifically because the services keep getting cut. Even in peak hours, you only see a few hardy souls changing from the Central to Chiltern at the Ruiislips. During the best and most consistent service seen in recent years (during the Gerrards X tunnel collapse) there was a regular 30 min Chiltern service and a noticeable increase in passenger numbers, particularly off-peak. {Mini rant?} I guess I am biased- I've got the benefit of the siding at Northolt for what is generally a good Central Line service and also the usually reliable (but infrequent) Chiltern NR service with a short walk North or a stop Westbound. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2005 18:01:50 GMT
Whoa. It seems to me that Chiltern does a lot of business at the Ruislips ;D Absolutely not! Sorry... now veering off topic. Up until 3 or 4 years ago South Ruislip was advertised as THE major interchange with the Chiltern Line. However Chiltern now seem to be concentrating on passengers from outside the zones. We now have a situation where Chiltern Railways passenger use at the Ruislips (particularly off peak) appears to be decreasing, specifically because the services keep getting cut. At the risk of going way OT, I suspect that this has everything to do with the absence of the four tracking between West Ruislip and Northolt Junction, along with the absent extra tracks between Neasden and Northolt. Chiltern keeps mumbling about requadrupling the Ruislip corridor - if that were to happen I suspect that both stations would get a much enhanced service. Even in peak hours, you only see a few hardy souls changing from the Central to Chiltern at the Ruiislips. During the best and most consistent service seen in recent years (during the Gerrards X tunnel collapse) there was a regular 30 min Chiltern service and a noticeable increase in passenger numbers, particularly off-peak. {Mini rant?} [/rant]  I guess I am biased- I've got the benefit of the siding at Northolt for what is generally a good Central Line service and also the usually reliable (but infrequent) Chiltern NR service with a short walk North or a stop Westbound. How far is Northolt Park from Northolt anyway? |
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Post by piccadillypilot on Sept 11, 2005 19:28:19 GMT
How far is Northolt Park from Northolt anyway? Assuming you mean between Northolt LU and Northolt Park Chiltern stations, it's approximately 0.8 of a mile. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2005 11:12:16 GMT
Used to be regular Northolt reversers in the peaks. Sometimes Saturdays too. There still is in the Weekday Peaks, and I have to say that there are just a few more people that need Northolt than Greenford, the bus links are better a Northolt anyway! How far is Northolt Park from Northolt anyway? Northolt Park is at the bottom end of South harrow..... |
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Post by q8 on Sept 12, 2005 11:16:37 GMT
Oh blimey. South Harrow gets abaht dunnit?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2005 11:28:25 GMT
Oh blimey. South Harrow get abaht dunnit? lol yes. Northolt Park station is actually closer to me than Northolt, and I live at Sudbury Hill! |
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Absolutely not! Sorry... now veering off topic.
