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Post by frankpick on Jan 2, 2006 21:11:36 GMT
What are the chances of a cab ride these days. My first was when I was 8 years old, Hounslow West to Boston Manor (No Hatton X then and the A1 bus was the Heathrow link!).
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Post by Chris W on Jan 2, 2006 22:29:54 GMT
Frank Please have a look at this thread: districtdave.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=offtopic&action=display&thread=1127690271As I hope you understand, the railway industry has become infinitely more security conscious in recent years. Indeed if you have seen recent comments about an article published in a London evening newspaper on this forum (which shall remain nameless), it appears that some elements of the media are trying to create safety issues when there are none to be found (as we all know it sells more newspapers). Since the events of last July, it is my understanding that security and safety is even tighter and I have been approached and asked to stop taking photographs at Earls Court a couple of weeks back even though I was on the public side and was not using flash (which of course is banned) - to my understanding I was doing nothing illegal or causing danger, but decided it was more prudent to move on. I think if you did manage to obtain an unauthorised ride, and you/the TO were caught: • The driver you are with will probably be disciplined, possibly sacked and could be prosecuted • LU would be severely embarrassed if an incident occurred - particularly if the fact was discovered by the press that non-authorized personnel were in the cab and had been invited by the driver For a railway forum to be seen either directly or indirectly to permit or encourage its members to get cab rides on the side would be foolish to say the least. The founder of the site is in a position of responsibility not only of the forum, but also his role as a TO & instructor on the District Line. I hope you do not find my comments as being condescending (that is not my intention), but it is the cruel reality of today that we are all denied the ability of doing those little things that we could in the past. Best wishes Christopher
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2006 22:34:49 GMT
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Post by dunois on Jan 3, 2006 11:28:12 GMT
It is very understandable that since the 7th July bombings cab ride are more difficult in London and also the article of the evening standart has well put more pressure on the drivers. In my opinion I think that wait a few months and hope that nothing will happen in the meantime is the best thing to do.
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Post by ttran on Jan 3, 2006 11:39:33 GMT
As has been mentioned above, cabrides have become a rare thing in the current climate. I myself have had a few cabrides in my time, be it on a tour where they were arranged, spontaneously by nice drivers or with a mate who's a driver. I've even had a drive, won't be doing that these days either, unless I become a driver!
I hope I'm safe to say that on this forum, anyway I shall digress...
Although as I say, the chances of getting one these days are very slim, due to security reasons and the fear by the driver of the loss of their job if they're 'caught out'...
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Post by dunois on Jan 3, 2006 12:48:11 GMT
In Paris you can still do a cab ride quite easily even if after the 7th July bombings there was some extra pressure on the drivers but not as much as in London. It is officialy forbidden in Paris too, but some head staff and instructors tolerate this from railfan as long as we are correct persons.
ttran I also managed to drive a train on the SNCF Paris's commuter network approximatly one year ago, it was a nice experience.
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Post by mowat on Jan 6, 2006 13:10:47 GMT
Back in 1999 when the northern line's bank branch was closed between Moorgate and Kennington, i was travaling to Golders Green and had the good fortune to be on one of the last trains of 1959 stock, this in mind i decided to stay on to Edgware were i got talking to the driver she let me have a look around the cab. When it was time to depart i was told that could not stay in the cab but she would leve the J door open so i could see into the cab. I stayed on the train back to Moorgate and lerned how to drive a 59ts. In 2004 when the LT Museum's 1938ts unit was out on the Uxbridge centenarian the J doors at both ends were open and you could go into the cab.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2006 14:11:23 GMT
Back in 1999 when the northern line's bank branch was closed between Moorgate and Kennington, i was travaling to Golders Green and had the good fortune to be on one of the last trains of 1959 stock, this in mind i decided to stay on to Edgware were i got talking to the driver she let me have a look around the cab. When it was time to depart i was told that could not stay in the cab but she would leve the J door open so i could see into the cab. I stayed on the train back to Moorgate and lerned how to drive a 59ts. In 2004 when the LT Museum's 1938ts unit was out on the Uxbridge centenarian the J doors at both ends were open and you could go into the cab. Things have changed since then, indeed I used to ride on the Northern all day just to make the most of the 59/72's. When the LT Museum re-opens have a look at their 1962 stock simulators - the computer package isn't very realistic (no repeaters - just stop signals) but it gives a reasonable impression of what it's like being in the seat - I think the cabs were taken from DM's that were being scrapped.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2006 14:45:51 GMT
Ooh yeah - didn't they use to have a D stock simulator, or something like that? (I'm trying to remember from about 7-8 years ago when i was 7 or 8)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2006 14:50:37 GMT
Ooh yeah - didn't they use to have a D stock simulator, or something like that? (I'm trying to remember from about 7-8 years ago when i was 7 or 8) No never a D stock. There is however, a complete CO/CP cab with a video of the Circle line in the drivers window going all the time. Maybe thats what you're thinking of. There is a lovely model of a D stock nearby
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Post by trainopd78 on Jan 6, 2006 15:27:32 GMT
It wasn't a D stock but read on . . .
When the tube centenary exhibition was at CG, a 92TS simulator was put in. At the time it was completely revolutionary as they hadn't even gone into service yet. When the exhibition was closed, the simulator was removed too, but being so popular, the 1938TS cab (which was then demonstrating the PCM equipment) was amended to convert it to a simulator. When CG2 was completed, 2 cabs of 1962TS were also added to the original sim(s?).
I reckon if the sims were connected to BVE, we would have one hell of a simulator.
Can anyone remember if the 1890 loco sim was in the original museum with the 38TS? I thnk it was but my memory is fading.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2006 16:08:11 GMT
I reckon if the sims were connected to BVE, we would have one hell of a simulator. Oh yes, we certainly would!
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Post by setttt on Jan 6, 2006 16:11:22 GMT
I'm sure I read somewhere that the simulators were to be updated/replaced during the refurbishment, although I'm not sure if there's any truth in that.
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Post by Chris M on Jan 6, 2006 17:02:02 GMT
Can anyone remember if the 1890 loco sim was in the original museum with the 38TS? I thnk it was but my memory is fading. There certaily was a sim of a very old loco when I visited a few years back. Only one of the sims was working when I was there (I think it was neither the oldest nor the youngest.) Chris
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2006 17:39:25 GMT
No never a D stock. There is however, a complete CO/CP cab with a video of the Circle line in the drivers window going all the time. Maybe thats what you're thinking of. [/quote]
Yep, it must've been that, but i'm sure you had it as a simulator.....
Today at 15:27, trainopd78 wrote:I reckon if the sims were connected to BVE, we would have one hell of a simulator. Oh yes, we certainly would! -----------------------
I TOTALLY agree ;D .....
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 6, 2006 17:48:10 GMT
I reckon if the sims were connected to BVE, we would have one hell of a simulator. Oh yes, we certainly would! Now it would be possible - BVE can interface with joysticks so it would be pretty easy to do - there are no technical barriers that I can think of.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2006 18:02:39 GMT
Now all we have to do is write to the LT museum and persuade them..... piece of cake ;D
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 6, 2006 18:29:37 GMT
You would need the permission of Mackoy, of course, since I suppose it could be classed as making money, then you'd need permission from each route / train / object author etc. The LTM are definately aware of BVE though.
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Post by mowat on Jan 9, 2006 12:02:52 GMT
Befor the LT Museum closed there were 4 simulators, City & South London Railway loco, 1938 Tube Stock, and 2 1959/62 Tube stock.
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Post by doubletrigger on Jan 9, 2006 18:53:31 GMT
Befor the LT Museum closed there were 4 simulators, City & South London Railway loco, 1938 Tube Stock, and 2 1959/62 Tube stock. Have a look at : www.ltmuseum.co.uk/project/project.shtml"More to see and do The new Museum will have more space, with a brand new gallery at the top of the building. Families will be able to explore even more activities with a new learning zone, more simulators, a play area and interactives throughout the Museum." Sounds good to me! I also to remember the 92 stock simulator, that was fun whilst it was there!
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Post by rob66 on Jan 10, 2006 19:08:34 GMT
Having only worked on the Central line for the past 39 years (few weeks on Northern line) I have often wondered how other lines are in my curious mind. I have never travelled in the cab, excepting as above. I have often thought about it as I'm sure it would be interesting to see what goes on and how things are different, perhaps making me realise that ATO is easy, rather than driving.
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Post by CSLR on Jan 19, 2006 13:37:46 GMT
Regarding the CO/CP cab with a video of the Circle line at the LTM. I was one of the film crew that shot that. The story of how we did it was kind of interesting, but is probably off-topic so I will leave it. Anyway, what you saw at the museum was only part of the film. We also ran round St Mary's curve and took a trip up and down the New Cross branch - but they tend not to show that bit at the museum.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2006 6:36:54 GMT
The new Museum will have more space, with a brand new gallery at the top of the building. Families will be able to explore even more activities with a new learning zone, more simulators, a play area and interactives throughout the Museum. Sounds good to me! I also to remember the 92 stock simulator, that was fun whilst it was there! They should get the most usable 83 stock cab they can find, spruce it up and put that in there - or maybe an old unrefurbed 72 stock one. I think a couple of sims with the old two handles and one or two 'one arm bandits' would make it more interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2006 12:04:45 GMT
Regarding the CO/CP cab with a video of the Circle line at the LTM. I was one of the film crew that shot that. The story of how we did it was kind of interesting, but is probably off-topic so I will leave it. Anyway, what you saw at the museum was only part of the film. We also ran round St Mary's curve and took a trip up and down the New Cross branch - but they tend not to show that bit at the museum. For this, was it like the video 'reacted' to the sim? I've heard of a sim (can't remember the URL ) whereby you have got the cab, and then a DVD running with the simulation, and the DVD works with the sim to make it a very realistic journey.... I think it was like a full mock up. Sounds great though ;D But anyway - if the LT museum sim didn't do this, then you'd just be pressing buttons / moving levers with no effect.... Apologies for the long windedness of this post
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Post by CSLR on Jan 22, 2006 12:36:59 GMT
For this, was it like the video 'reacted' to the sim? I've heard of a sim (can't remember the URL ) whereby you have got the cab, and then a DVD running with the simulation, and the DVD works with the sim to make it a very realistic journey.... I think it was like a full mock up. Sounds great though ;D But anyway - if the LT museum sim didn't do this, then you'd just be pressing buttons / moving levers with no effect.... Apologies for the long windedness of this post The one that I am referring to was a complete cab that had been cut off of a unit. The video was projected onto a large screen that was viewed through the cab window. We did look at the possibility of making it fully reactive, but the technology was problematic at that time and we did not want the 'stop-click' slow motion effect that had been used on the old Victoria Line simulator at Wood Lane Training School. This museum simulator therefore simply ran the film continuously and people could stand in the cab or sit and play with the controls (which were not connected to anything). The sound recording had been made in good quality stereo from the outside of the train and this was played back through large speakers placed outside the cab of the 'simulator' - giving virtually the same acoustic effect as in real life. The bass frequencies in the playback created a degree of vibration which, coupled with the realistic way the sequence had been shot, gave a feeling of movement where none actually existed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2006 12:50:56 GMT
Ah i see.
Will the new sims be reactive?
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Post by CSLR on Jan 22, 2006 13:04:38 GMT
Ah i see. Will the new sims be reactive? I would think so. Things have moved on quite a bit since then and the museum has always embraced new technology. Its first attempt at interactive railway sims was back in 1990 for the tube centenary when they had computer simulations depicting a 100 year old electric locomotive and present day (then) stock. Remember, this was long before the appearance of any commercial sims and 5 years before the release of Windows 95.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2006 13:31:17 GMT
Great Can't wait till next yr!
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