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Post by Phil on Dec 31, 2005 18:28:39 GMT
Officially, it's only 28 stations closed out of 270(ish) isn't it?
So where does that leave Mr Crow and support by his own members?
Intriguingly of the 28, no less than 8 are on the Picc between Russell Square and Southgate!!
A strong union rep in that part of the woods then.......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2005 19:16:46 GMT
Intriguingly of the 28, no less than 8 are on the Picc between Russell Square and Southgate!! A strong union rep in that part of the woods then....... That is represented by the Finsbury Park branch, that and Stratford are the bolshiest RMT branches on LU. |
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Post by rpi on Dec 31, 2005 22:08:59 GMT
Just looked at the stations that have closed - and by the looks of it LU have managed to avoid any MAJOR stations closing. There are a few within zone one - Barbican, Hyde Park Corner, Cannon Street (which is listed but would have closed by now anyway), Goodge Street, Kings Cross (Vic and Northern), Mornington Crescent, Southwark, Lambeth North, Edgware Road (Bakerloo) and Notting Hill Gate.
Quite a few but most of them are within walking distance of another station or at worst a bus trip away. It is going to miff a few with the stations in the suburbs later on but all in all the catastrophe that was forecast has at the minute not really lived up to the hype.
Oh and the lifts have packed up at Regents Park.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2005 22:40:07 GMT
Well I've just got in from work, and as I booked off, we had Cannon Street, Aldgate East, Stepney Green, East Ham, Elm Park, Hornchurch and Notting Hill Gate closed on the District.
The strike doesn't seem to have caused too many problems, although the passengers numbers seem to be down a lot compared to last year.
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Post by rpi on Dec 31, 2005 23:04:51 GMT
Well a biggy has gone - Tottenham Court Road - eeeeek
That list has swollen somewhat now with at 40 odd now closed, Olympia is gone through signal failure and the lifts are still knackered at Regents Park.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2006 9:33:35 GMT
Thanks to all of the LU station staff who turned up to work last night. Thankfully the strike seems to have failed to make too much of an impact. As the tube has run safely with minimal staffing, and just 40 station closures, maybe Bob Crow has shot himself in the foot? The public are now not so angry with the RMT and the strikers, but laughing at them!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2006 11:09:15 GMT
Right now, according to tfl website, Dagenham East, Elm Park and Hornchurch are all closed - that's a hell of a long section.
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Post by DWS on Jan 1, 2006 13:39:02 GMT
Right now, according to tfl website, Dagenham East, Elm Park and Hornchurch are all closed - that's a hell of a long section. Well the District Line has no service between Upminster and Barking due to non availability of staff  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2006 15:03:25 GMT
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Post by Phil on Jan 1, 2006 16:09:55 GMT
That should send the rest of the doubting t/ops over to Aslef!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2006 16:31:52 GMT
Looks like Bob Crow is getting desperate. I assume that he is still sunning himself in Egypt? I would have thought that Cuba would be a more appropriate holiday destination for him! |
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Post by frankpick on Jan 1, 2006 17:15:42 GMT
Looks like Bob Crow is getting desperate. I assume that he is still sunning himself in Egypt? I would have thought that Cuba would be a more appropriate holiday destination for him! Nothing like playing the safety card to whip up public hysteria is there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2006 18:53:01 GMT
Right now, according to tfl website, Dagenham East, Elm Park and Hornchurch are all closed - that's a hell of a long section. Bit like the Vic line today, the only things north of KX that were open were Sisters and Blackhorse Rd. The latter is a lovely place on a grey, overcast day  Also I was up the west end of the Central, and had planned to go to NHG, pick up a Dist/Circle to Paddington to get my train back to Basingstoke (Buses replace trains between B/stoke - Woking - via Reading by train is quicker  ). Unfortunately Notting Hill & Queensway were closed, so ended up walking from Holland Pk to Bayswater, I never realised that Queensway was nearer to Bayswater than it's interchang at NHG. It's only round the corner. Good job I left myself loads of time for my train. |
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Post by q8 on Jan 1, 2006 19:37:13 GMT
I predict that before long the tube companies will start pressing the government for legislation a'la New York to outlaw public transport strikes. Then lads you'll be sorry. I know the likes of Mr Crow are regarded as bolshies but someone has to speak up don't they!
Unions fight for you with one hand tied behind the back. I myself was never a strong union member but at least I took comfort that they were there to help if I needed it [that was not always the case though] Look closely and see how much freedom has been lost since 1979.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2006 20:06:49 GMT
The thing I didn't understand about the strike was the timing? New Years Eve, clearly that's not going to win you a lot of friends. However, a strike on Tuesday 3rd morning, more of the punters would show support because they won't have to go to to work, or at least would be able to sneak an extra bit of a lie in and blame it on the travel!
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Post by frankpick on Jan 1, 2006 22:12:22 GMT
I predict that before long the tube companies will start pressing the government for legislation a'la New York to outlaw public transport strikes. Then lads you'll be sorry. I know the likes of Mr Crow are regarded as bolshies but someone has to speak up don't they! Unions fight for you with one hand tied behind the back. I myself was never a strong union member but at least I took comfort that they were there to help if I needed it [that was not always the case though] Look closely and see how much freedom has been lost since 1979. I think this is where the Unions could think smartly about how much a "No Strike" agreement could be worth. There is certainly case now for disruptive action rather than strike action. Strikes IMO only upset the people who pay your wages and generate little or no sympathy to or for the cause. Unions have their place today but I think the days of the stirke are numbered either through legislation or agreement. If I were in Bob C's place I would be seriously looking at what I could negotiate with a "No Strike" policy. It would do wonders too for their image. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2006 22:14:14 GMT
I know the likes of Mr Crow are regarded as bolshies but someone has to speak up don't they! The problem is that Bob Crow hasn't been speaking up very well for his union members. None of the RMT press releases have helped to properly inform the public of reasons behind the strike. If anything, some of the press released have contained very dubious claims and statements. This is also not helped by Bob Crow sunning himself in Egypt whilst he expects his union members to suffer the wrath of the general public on NYE. Does he really expect anyone to take him seriously now? |
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Post by rpi on Jan 1, 2006 22:52:21 GMT
The support wasn't that great however striking station staff will cause less disruption than if drivers come out.
LU can get management from just about everywhere to cover on stations but the same can't be said for drivers, if they go then there are simply not enough trains to run the service safely.
The RMT website said........
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Post by q8 on Jan 2, 2006 6:52:52 GMT
Having reflected on this issue a bit more I can see that the RMT do indeed have a point of issue here. In the past year we have seen a terrible thing happen with the London bombings, and thankfully there were staff on hand [though not enough to begin with] to deal with the situation. What are management gonna do if they cut staff even more and there is another bad occurence and ther is no-one imeddiately available to cope with it?
I dread to think what the casualty rate would be if there were another 'Holland Park' and there was only the poor driver available to oversee things. If such a thing did take place the imagine the wails from on high about 'oh, the compensation we'll have to pay' Not to mention the possible charges in law they may incur [and get away with] No in all common sense it is not a good thing to put the public at risk by these short-sighted measures. After all one of YOU may be the driver during such an incident!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2006 15:31:04 GMT
<i>You can see how both sides can claim they are right. What is not mentioned above is that many staff will be redeployed to stations far further from home than they are at present, and in many cases further than the agreed 1/2 hr travel</i>
Well, this _isn't_ true. Station staff being displaced either remain on the same group or are relocated nearer home.
There's enough churn in the (C)SA grade to avoid redundancies.
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Post by dunois on Jan 3, 2006 11:21:20 GMT
I don't think that the signle tickets and buses tickets will be on Oyster cards as soon as 2007. The travelcards maybe moved on Oyster cards soon but I don't think that it will be the case for single and carnets tickets. I think you will find they will be on Oyster by 2007, if not before. This is the aim, to have every ticket on Osyter by that time, hence the reason the Family Travelcard is going, as you you cannot have one card between 8! Judging by the 100% difference between a normal single ticket and an oyster one, well i think now that you are quite right, would would like to buy a so expensive cardboard ticket now?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2006 11:26:16 GMT
Mag stripe tickets will be around (incl. singles) until NR starts taking Oyster.
The same isn't true of London Buses - and the bus network should go cashless in 2007 with a bit of luck.
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Post by Phil on Jan 3, 2006 11:47:34 GMT
So, come 2007, how does the casual visitor to London 'hop on a bus' as we all used to be encouraged to do?
No cash sounds like no instant fares.......
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Post by Colin on Jan 3, 2006 13:28:18 GMT
So, come 2007, how does the casual visitor to London 'hop on a bus' as we all used to be encouraged to do? No cash sounds like no instant fares....... There are machines at the roadside (bus stops) - the idea is that the driver has no need to handle cash |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2006 15:06:23 GMT
Also, if Oyster can be got everywhere you pick up an Oyster at an airport.
Switzerland has had cashless operation for quite a few years...
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). Unfortunately Notting Hill & Queensway were closed, so ended up walking from Holland Pk to Bayswater, I never realised that Queensway was nearer to Bayswater than it's interchang at NHG. It's only round the corner. Good job I left myself loads of time for my train.
