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Post by cefo on Dec 9, 2005 23:00:14 GMT
Hi,
I'm doing some work comparing treatment of SPADs on the main lines with SPADs at LU... looking at safety culture amongst other things. Does anyone know what the current SPAD policy is at LU, with regards to drivers that have had a spad or spads.
If anyone has a reference to document(s) detailing it, i'd really appreciate it.
Also, I believe it's changed over the past 5 years, so if anyone can outline the changes or reference previous policies, that would be a huge help.
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Post by Colin on Dec 9, 2005 23:52:04 GMT
First post cefo? WELCOME  Essentially AFAIK, the LUL SPAD policy was changed to bring it in line with Network Rail's. The basic's are: Four categories of seriousness Driver relieved for interview as soon as possible Interview aims to identify root cause of SPAD Result of interview determines an action plan for the driver 3 SPADS in a two year period may be (not will be) tolerated (depending on circumstances) If a 4th SPAD occurs, a disciplinary board is convened 2 year period is rolling, not fixed That's my understanding, unless anyone knows better...... |
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Post by russe on Dec 9, 2005 23:59:16 GMT
I'm doing some work comparing treatment of SPADs on the main lines with SPADs at LU... What kinda 'work' we talking here, Cefo? Is your enquiry 'official' or 'unofficial'? For what purposes are you making your enquiry? Please forgive my inquisitional tone, but one has no idea sometimes who is attempting to engage in conversation here. my name's Russ, btw |
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Post by Colin on Dec 10, 2005 1:01:23 GMT
What kinda 'work' we talking here, Cefo? Is your enquiry 'official' or 'unofficial'? For what purposes are you making your enquiry? Please forgive my inquisitional tone, but one has no idea sometimes who is attempting to engage in conversation here. my name's Russ, btw Which is why, rather than making what is an internal document available - I have given a brief overview of what's involved. This way everyone gets a little extra knowledge |
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Post by Chris M on Dec 11, 2005 21:19:49 GMT
Essentially AFAIK, the LUL SPAD policy was changed to bring it in line with Network Rail's. The basic's are: Four categories of seriousness What are the categories based on? I vageuly remember something about NR having a three category system depending on how far past the signal the train travelled (if the train fouled another line was was more serious than if it stopped only slightly after the signal). Is the LU system the same/similar or is it more complicated than that? I'll understand if you can't say, but if you can't please say you can't (if that makes any sense?!) Chris |
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Post by Colin on Dec 12, 2005 2:50:03 GMT
It's not so much can't say - more that it's not possible to reproduce a 'live' internal document which LUL deems as not for public knowledge - by scanning it and posting it here, those of us employed by LUL would be in trouble Anyway, again as a brief overview, the four levels are: EDIT:oops, theres only one where the policy is appliedA) Stop aspect displayed correctly with time to stop The other three are dealt with differently, ie the interview will possibly occur to ascertain the facts - but it will not be recorded on the drivers file.B) Aspect returned to danger in error or Equipment failure C) Aspect returned to danger in an emergency / Stop aspect not displayed in sufficient time to stop D) Non powered or Unattended train runs away |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2005 22:14:16 GMT
If a 4th SPAD occurs, a disciplinary board is convened THAT is not correct , if a 4thspad occurs, a case conference with the tom is convened |
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Post by Colin on Dec 20, 2005 12:21:17 GMT
In any case, a driver with four SPAD's under his belt inside two years - will be dealt with. That's the important point |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2005 13:56:09 GMT
What if the driver accidentally overshot the Red by a few metres? Would that count as a SPAD - if it was accidental? (I know they basically all are accidental.....) Erm..... do u see where i'm coming from?
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Post by Colin on Dec 20, 2005 14:15:21 GMT
What if the driver accidentally overshot the Red by a few metres? Would that count as a SPAD - if it was accidental? (I know they basically all are accidental.....) Erm..... do u see where i'm coming from? I know that on Network rail Distance is taken into account, but on LUL a SPAD is a SPAD - wether it's 10 centimetres or a 100 metres is irrelevant. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2005 14:32:56 GMT
Would weather be taken into account?
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Post by Phil on Dec 20, 2005 15:20:43 GMT
I know that on Network rail Distance is taken into account, but on LUL a SPAD is a SPAD - wether it's 10 centimetres or a 100 metres is irrelevant. On NR, just like LU, a SPAD is still a SPAD whatever the distance: even the front face of one buffer past the signal counts, but there are levels of SPAD depending on conditions, location, amount of overrun and potential consequences |
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Post by Colin on Dec 20, 2005 15:23:29 GMT
Would weather be taken into account? When the driver has his/her interview with the duty manager following a SPAD, all of the circumstances leading up to it, and afterwards will be taken into account - and an action plan discussed to prevent it happening again. In the case of weather being a contributing factor, the driver will most likely be advised on anticipating conditions and driving accordingly. The fact remains that on LUL a SPAD is a SPAD regardless of how it occured in the first place. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2005 23:48:58 GMT
The fact remains that on LUL a SPAD is a SPAD regardless of how it occured in the first place. SPOT ON Colin, couldnt have put it better my self, |
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