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Post by taylor on Nov 10, 2024 19:45:23 GMT
On Friday 8 November, I was on train 2Y99 16:00 Stratford – Clapham Junction. It left Willesden Jn. at 16:56, 13 late, and ran non-stop to Clapham Junction. The driver made an inaudible announcement (not his fault in a crowded train) before leaving Willesden Jn. It seemed that not a few Shepherd’s Bush passengers ended up south of the river. Is stop-skipping a regular occurrence on this route? www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:P92099/2024-11-08
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 12, 2024 10:45:36 GMT
I would like to see TOCS financially penalised for doing this, or at least for there to be a list of busier stations (important traffic destinations / interchange locations) which are compulsory stops - unless the train is not in passenger service or a regular service that has been timetabled to miss them out.
For LO I would include Shepherds Bush in this list, along with Willesden Junction (all routes), Highbury & Islington (all routes), Camden Road, Gospel Oak, Canada Water, Blackhorse Road, Denmark Hill, Hackney Downs / Central, Whitechapel. Maybe a couple more.
Of course some stations will never be skip-stopped, that is unless the train is reversed whilst en route. For LO these include Stratford, Clapham Junction, Richmond, Barking Riverside, etc. But being a line terminus these are different.
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Post by tut on Nov 12, 2024 14:42:34 GMT
I would like to see TOCS financially penalised for doing this Obviously they are
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Post by taylor on Nov 12, 2024 19:00:09 GMT
On 8 Nov. any intending southbound Shepherd's Bush passengers arriving after 16:40 were faced with a 42 minute wait. The 16:50 to Clapham Jct. 'my' train ran express through the station. The following 17:03 service was cancelled, the 17:14 was delayed until 17:26 and the 17:21 to East Croydon left at 17:22. Those wanting a Windsor line connection at Clapham Jnc. would have had the platform 17 to the Windsor platform trek! www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/simple/gb-nr:SPB/2024-11-08/1650Pretty dicey service for homeward bound workers.
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 13, 2024 12:27:28 GMT
That is appalling - passengers should be able to claim delay repay, although the funds they receive will be paltry / insufficient to adequately recompense them for their irrecoverable lost time.
Passengers paying PAYG fares are very likely to have been financially penalised because of the extended journey time. A clever lawyer could possibly work out a way of explaining this in a court of law as theft. Especially for passengers who have already made 3+ claims for Oystercard financial woes so are now deemed ineligible for a refund of the two 'maximum fares'.
re: the passengers ending up catching a Southern service to East Croydon, this reminds me of the era when Silverlink was running the North London Line and how there were days when evening passengers at Highbury & Islington were thankful for the Anglia Trains Crosstown LinkLine service which ran non-stop to Stratford.
In a roundabout way this also benefitted passengers who wanted the intermediate stations that the Anglia service did not call at - I say this because it meant that when a Silverlink train finally and at long last arrived there was a greater chance of them being able to board it.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 13, 2024 16:56:04 GMT
They could have reversed the train at Shepherd's Bush, which would have made up the time. At least that way, a major stop is still served, and the train can then regain its timetabled slot.
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Post by taylor on Nov 15, 2024 12:26:25 GMT
I only reported a fraction of the delays on the ‘Mildmay’ service last Friday evening, 8 Nov. ‘My’ train was due into Clapham Junction (CLJ) at 17h05 but by dint of skipping every station between Willesden Junction (WIJ), where it left 13 late and CLJ, it arrived at 17h08. It departed for Stratford (SFA) at 17h11. I mentioned that the train following ‘mine’ was cancelled (actually at Kensal Green KNL) leaving the 42-minute gap referred to above. That unit was meant to provide the 17h22 CLJ – SFA, which was inevitably cancelled. The next scheduled service was 17h34 and it left 17 minutes late (a 43 minute service gap in the middle of the rush-hour) and never made it to SFA, as it was cancelled beyond WIJ! I’m retired. My heart goes out to the workers trying to get home at that time or to quite likely to second jobs in kitchen and delivery services, care facilities etc. A solution? If a rush-hour rostering and the remaining road of the Kensington Sidings at CLJ permitted a ‘back-stop’ unit, it could have been used to provide the 17h08 CLJ – WIJ service and ‘my’ southbound service turned to provide the 17h22 service which was cancelled.
(Incidentally, I have noticed that during rush-hour the Tonbridge Engineers’ leaf cleaning special, e.g. 3S79, dodges back and forth reversing on available mainline crossovers. So, a reverse move over Latchmere 2 Junction should be eminently possible).
I’m probably totally wrong in thinking that the TOC’s, when cancelling services, would ever cynically calculate that many of the above categories of passengers simply do not have the time to claim and follow up on the small amounts of compensation due to them. As to causes: Incidents do happen. Freight trains take longer to clear a block, dogs get their paws trapped in doors, people slip on leaves and into out of trains (try alighting from g a 710 unit at Wembley Central!!), frustrated passengers sometimes come to blows, people fall ill. The rate of occurrence of such service-delaying incidents, which will always happen, must be known to the TOCs and that should be factored into the service level agreements with TfL so that back-up can be readily provided. I’ll stand correction, but doubt that it is
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Post by tut on Nov 16, 2024 3:23:55 GMT
I'm sorry that you had a disrupted journey but honestly I think the conspiracy theories are just a little bit much.
For your information the failure of your service to stop was attributed to a freight held back to give it a clear run to Willesden Junction in accordance, one assumes, with the Autumn clear run policy. So it wouldn't be the TOC paying for the delays anyway. The other cancellations were attributed to a security incident at Tilbury I will not discuss further.
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Post by brigham on Nov 16, 2024 8:30:02 GMT
It looks to me as if you are trying to run too many trains.
Space them out a bit. That will give you more flexibility.
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 16, 2024 22:25:44 GMT
I thought that freight trains were held back during the busiest part of the rush hour
Also, I do see it as totally unacceptable to have trains terminated short causing such long gaps in the service - especially in the rush hours.
Apart from anything else it paints a picture of an unreliable service that does not care one jot about the people it serves (passengers!) and their needs to get from a to b in a timely manner and plays into the hands of pro-motoring (private car) lobbyists who would wish to defund the railways and invest in more roads.
The railways have no idea how fortunate they are that British people are generally mild-mannered. I've heard of events elsewhere (eg: South America) where severe delays result in civic unrest, rioting, etc. I'd hate to see this happen here in the UK but...
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