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Post by a60 on Feb 2, 2024 7:53:24 GMT
Hi all,
Sorry for the slightly dense nature of this query. Over the course of the past week I’ve noticed that T441, the 07:40-ish ex-Uxbridge has only gone as far as HOTH where it normally goes to Baker Street. Is there a crewing or timetabling issue that has caused this, or is it something else?
Thanks in advance.
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Post by Harsig on Feb 2, 2024 8:06:13 GMT
There is an ongoing points failure at Wembley Park. Northbound trains from Baker St can only access platform one at Wembley Park and then run via the fast line to Harrow. In order to maintain a northbound service for Preston Road and Northwick Park a number of Baker St services are being reversed via Neasden Depot. Trains from the depot can be routed to Wembley Park platform two. Train 441 is one of those that has been chosen to reverse via the depot.
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Post by A60stock on Feb 2, 2024 13:38:35 GMT
How long has this issue been going on for?
Roughly how many trains per hour are being taken from the main service and terminated short?
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Post by goldenarrow on Feb 2, 2024 16:16:59 GMT
This has been the case since Wednesday. Off-peak it’s the Watford - Baker Street (4tph) service that has been curtailed. At peak times it’s a mix of Watford/Uxbridge/Amersham - Baker Street services averaging a combined 6tph on the Northbound Local.
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Post by metman on Feb 3, 2024 13:02:51 GMT
Does this mean that Preston Road and Northwick Park have 4tph going north off peak and 12tph south?
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Post by goldenarrow on Feb 3, 2024 15:49:11 GMT
Yes, that’s correct. The broadcast advice for northbound passengers to stay on till Harrow and then return south reflects this heavy imbalance
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Post by AndrewS on Feb 4, 2024 17:16:51 GMT
Yes, that’s correct. The broadcast advice for northbound passengers to stay on till Harrow and then return south reflects this heavy imbalance No broadcast advice at all yesterday evening, either at Baker Street (is there still a ban on non-emergency announcements thanks to that grumpy Chiltern Court resident?) or on my NB train there or at Finchley Road. Just a succession of semi-fast trains and passengers not boarding, assuming an all stations train would eventually appear.
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Post by A60stock on Feb 5, 2024 14:03:15 GMT
Are there no signs explaining what is going on at stations South of Wembley?
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Post by A60stock on Feb 5, 2024 14:10:15 GMT
There is an ongoing points failure at Wembley Park. Northbound trains from Baker St can only access platform one at Wembley Park and then run via the fast line to Harrow. In order to maintain a northbound service for Preston Road and Northwick Park a number of Baker St services are being reversed via Neasden Depot. Trains from the depot can be routed to Wembley Park platform two. Train 441 is one of those that has been chosen to reverse via the depot. During the rush hour, is this not causing a que of trains on the fast lines if the terminating trains from Harrow have to then run fast to Plaform 6 at Harrow and then stop there before going into the depot?
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Post by goldenarrow on Feb 5, 2024 15:19:11 GMT
Are there no signs explaining what is going on at stations South of Wembley? Posters should now be up at all stations south of Harrow
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Post by metman on Feb 5, 2024 21:35:41 GMT
Is there any additional stand time being added to semi-fast trains at Harrow-on-the-Hill?
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Post by a60 on Feb 6, 2024 8:23:01 GMT
There is an ongoing points failure at Wembley Park. Northbound trains from Baker St can only access platform one at Wembley Park and then run via the fast line to Harrow. In order to maintain a northbound service for Preston Road and Northwick Park a number of Baker St services are being reversed via Neasden Depot. Trains from the depot can be routed to Wembley Park platform two. Train 441 is one of those that has been chosen to reverse via the depot. During the rush hour, is this not causing a que of trains on the fast lines if the terminating trains from Harrow have to then run fast to Plaform 6 at Harrow and then stop there before going into the depot? In my own assessment it does cause some slight queueing outside of both Harrow and Wembley on the southbound. Although, I don’t think it is a huge impediment to the service. All in all, I’d say given the present woes and how much potential this issue had to nuke the service, the control room staff have done an admirable job keeping the service running fairly smoothly. Although, I do wonder how long it will be before this points failure is likely to be fixed?
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Post by goldenarrow on Feb 6, 2024 9:55:51 GMT
Normal service pattern resumed this morning
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Post by t697 on Feb 9, 2024 17:33:12 GMT
And now we are back to NB Amershams and Cheshams all fast north of Harrow because points across from the local north of Moor Park have failed again. Second time recently.
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Post by metman on Feb 10, 2024 18:26:48 GMT
The points at Watford South Junction aren’t that old are they. That’s disappointing.
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Post by a60 on Feb 11, 2024 7:30:20 GMT
The points at Watford South Junction aren’t that old are they. That’s disappointing. IIRC the points at Watford South Junction were reconfigured in circa 2008, so not old at all but at the same point not exactly young enough to be under manufacturer's warranty (please pardon the ropey analogy). I wonder if anyone on here knows the root cause of the failures on these points; are the present problems a repetition of others we've seen over the past few months?
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Post by t697 on Feb 11, 2024 8:00:44 GMT
Seems to have been fixed for Start of Traffic Sunday 11 Feb. I wonder how long it will last this time.
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Post by gefw on Feb 12, 2024 15:52:18 GMT
The points at Watford South Junction aren’t that old are they. That’s disappointing. IIRC the points at Watford South Junction were reconfigured in circa 2008, so not old at all but at the same point not exactly young enough to be under manufacturer's warranty (please pardon the ropey analogy). I wonder if anyone on here knows the root cause of the failures on these points; are the present problems a repetition of others we've seen over the past few months? I recall the first incident being being a "Cracked wing rail" - this is obviously the fault not the root cause. Not sure if the timescale to repair (multiple days) was due to getting a replacement part or the remedial track work associated with the root cause (track alignment, tamping, fettling, sleeper replacement etc.)
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Post by goldenarrow on Feb 13, 2024 13:04:48 GMT
An informed source tells me that the most recent failure was traced to a cable fault unrelated to the previous incident. Two low-frequency yet high-impact failures that just happened to knock out the same area within a few weeks of each other.
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Post by johnlinford on Feb 13, 2024 20:43:46 GMT
Sometimes, the dice just aren't on your side!
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Post by metman on Feb 13, 2024 21:49:24 GMT
Glad it’s fixed as my aunt is coming from Brussels tomorrow and needs to get to Northwood. She doesn’t know our transport system well (although has been on it lots) she knows the Watford trains don’t run to St Pancras but to get an Amersham or Chesham train.
Last time she ended up on an Uxbridge service!
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Post by A60stock on Feb 16, 2024 10:00:07 GMT
<<Thread merge from 'Late finish to engineering works' thread, renamed accordingly - goldenarrow>>
Seems like a late finishing of engineering works is causing severe delays across the line.
Anyone know what specific work was being done and why it means trains can't stop at Northwick park and a Preston road?
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Post by DWS on Feb 16, 2024 10:39:36 GMT
Points failed at Wembley Park shut down the Met and Jubilee due to a late finishing overnight works.
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Post by xtmw on Feb 16, 2024 21:57:03 GMT
They've failed again. Non-stopping Preston Road & Northwick Park on the southbound.
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Post by greatkingrat on Feb 17, 2024 10:38:46 GMT
That must be a different problem then, they were skipping northbound last time.
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Post by A60stock on Feb 20, 2024 9:10:46 GMT
Issue affecting southbound trains is still on going. All trains running semi fast and stopping at Wembley
Also how good is the communication at Preston road and Northwick Park? You can see people waiting on the southbound platform!
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Post by goldenarrow on Feb 20, 2024 10:41:12 GMT
Local notices should already be up but here has been some rather pointed feedback from frontline operational grades about the timeliness of comms regarding this latest triage of protracted incidents. At least another week of this at best
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Post by A60stock on Feb 20, 2024 14:27:25 GMT
Another issue is that the service shows as "Good Service" which is not true at all. Tfl need to describe this as Minor delays and notify customers that southbound trains are not stopping at these stations.
Which point specifically has failed? Is it the one just south of Wembley where the local and fast lines join together?
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Post by gefw on Feb 20, 2024 15:26:32 GMT
Local notices should already be up but here has been some rather pointed feedback from frontline operational grades about the timeliness of comms regarding this latest triage of protracted incidents. At least another week of this at best I thought these stations were staffed ? - This is the sort thing/time where good staff presence /proactive help really makes a difference to the Customers
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Post by goldenarrow on Feb 20, 2024 16:35:44 GMT
Yes they are although as they are non-Section 12 stations they can be left unstaffed in certain circumstances. Hand written notices went up at many stations on Day 1, it’s the way information has been put out since, including but not exclusively concerning the virtual channels that has been a point of feedback.
Edit 21/02: Both stations have now ticker taped off their southbound platforms
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