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Post by antharro on Oct 12, 2005 1:49:15 GMT
Whilst staying up in London recently, I noted down all the times from the bus stop outside my flat onto my mobile.
Now I'm back, and knowing TFL put the bus timetables up on their website, I went and pulled down the timetable for the stop I use.
And found the times are different from the times posted up on the bus stop!
So which is correct - the one on the website, or the one posted up on the bus stop? And why the difference?
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Post by q8 on Oct 12, 2005 4:11:00 GMT
I should think the website one is the more up-to-date.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2005 8:05:24 GMT
The last time I caught a bus in London (2002), things went fine from Highbury to Holborn, but then the bus got caught in a traffic jam and did not move for 15 minutes. Growing tired of contemplating the fading delights of the interior of a Routemaster, I got off and walked, leaving the bus far behind.
So do the timetables mean all that much anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2005 9:09:41 GMT
The last time I caught a bus in London (2002), things went fine from Highbury to Holborn, but then the bus got caught in a traffic jam and did not move for 15 minutes. Growing tired of contemplating the fading delights of the interior of a Routemaster, I got off and walked, leaving the bus far behind. So do the timetables mean all that much anyway? Timetables don't really matter much during the day, when the main routes (e.g.25) are very high frequency. Traffic problems often cause curtailments. This is done to ensure that buses are running where needed and that drivers don't exceed their driving time.
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Post by q8 on Oct 12, 2005 10:10:54 GMT
Timetables are often the random jottings of someone who has wonderful dreams. They are also the same things as give Citysig and Harsig nightmares.
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Post by Tomcakes on Oct 12, 2005 18:53:18 GMT
Timetables seem to be an excellent source of lavatory paper for the senior managers here...
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Post by Colin on Oct 12, 2005 22:58:53 GMT
Timetables seem to be an excellent source of lavatory paper for the senior managers here... Where did that comment come from ??!
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Post by Colin on Oct 12, 2005 23:05:50 GMT
Whilst staying up in London recently, I noted down all the times from the bus stop outside my flat onto my mobile. Now I'm back, and knowing TFL put the bus timetables up on their website, I went and pulled down the timetable for the stop I use. And found the times are different from the times posted up on the bus stop! So which is correct - the one on the website, or the one posted up on the bus stop? And why the difference? Bus companies have two timetables - one is the public one posted at bus stops, the other is called the 'compliant timetable'. The compliant timetable forms part of the official contract between the bus operator and T fL, and is the one the bus driver will actually be scheduled and monitored against. You will probably find that the website is based on the compliant timetable, hence the differences. It's a bit like LUL, with it's working timetables (staff only), and public times which you see at stations.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2005 0:26:30 GMT
I think I've ranted on here before about the service provided by the 245! The bus stop I use has one of those countdown digital thingies, but I don't know why I bother using that! Today (in the pouring rain) was a prime example. I arrive at bus stop, indicator says 1. 245 - 2 mins, 2. 245 - 4 mins, 3. 245 - 8 mins.
Not bad, say I, at least if one doesn't show, there's another two fairly shortly so I'll not get wet. Number 1 appears with NOT IN SERVICE on the blind. After another few mins, number 2 arrives and decides he's terminating at that particular stop so he can go round the roundabout and back the other way. So now there's about 40 of us all crammed into the shelter trying to stay dry waiting for the next 245 which duly arrives after a few minutes and is already full so goes sailing straight past the stop, stops a few yards further down to set down some passengers, then promptly sods off again!
The display now shows 245 as being number 6 on the list and is 17 minutes away, so I had to walk to the station and get soaked!
(Sorry for taking this topic into a rant! I feel better now though!)
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Post by Colin on Oct 13, 2005 0:58:17 GMT
Right - 'Countdown' works something like this: On the radio display on board the bus (as a passenger you may be able to see it) there will be three sets of numbers * - Countdown uses this information as the basis for what you see displayed at the bus stop. This information is also used by the buses network control centre when emergency calls are made by the driver. Because the network control centre may receive an emergency call with no speech (ie driver is getting a beating), they have to know a rough location of the bus - so the radio must have a route number programed. Countdown cannot tell if a bus is in/out of service or short tripping, it just picks up the route number and displays it at the bus stops. Like the train describers on our platforms, sometimes they can be useful, other times they cause more hassle than necessary. And it's always sods law it's hassle when it's raining! Of course I never drove buses like that ( ) You've reminded me of little story - I was driving a bus on a tube strike day (bloody underground workers!), was getting near the end of my shift and was thorouhly peed off with people asking questions. I pulled into a stop and a man asked where my bus was going. As sarcastically as I could, I told him to read the front - to which he replied "i'd love to, but i'm blind". It taught me a thing or two thats for sure * = smaller operators on the outskirts of London have a less sophisticated version which just displays the company name, and is therefore not used for Countdown.
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Post by q8 on Oct 13, 2005 3:04:42 GMT
Timetables seem to be an excellent source of lavatory paper for the senior managers here..... Where did that comment come from ??! ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it didn't come from the heart, so maybe lower down?
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