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Post by spsmiler on Aug 2, 2023 13:36:01 GMT
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Post by stapler on Aug 2, 2023 14:50:51 GMT
The state of platforms 9/10 and 10A is nothing short of scandalous. They are a main rail entry point for Essex (Suffolk/Norfolk), and attract just as many passenger journeys thereto as LV terminus. The lack of w.c.s is also scandalous - and one Greater Anglia (whose loos are generally exemplary) must greatly regret. Management of this station should transfer to GA...
Covering ramp -- and who is going to pay for that?
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Post by Chris L on Aug 2, 2023 17:52:22 GMT
A walk around the station shows why simple solutions are not an option.
A drain runs along the centre of the platform used by Greater Anglia down trains. This is just below the surface and is the reason shelters are provided rather than canopies.
The subways under the tracks are very close to the surface and prevent deep foundations.
This is why the project outline indicates a rebuild on the scale of London Bridge and King's Cross.
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 4, 2023 10:48:16 GMT
But before the station was rebuilt in the 1990s what are nowadays 9, 10, 10a did have shelters!
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Post by Chris L on Aug 4, 2023 19:28:01 GMT
But before the station was rebuilt in the 1990s what are nowadays 9, 10, 10a did have shelters! Not canopies which is what people are on about. They have shelters now and the fixings span the drains. |
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Post by miff on Aug 4, 2023 20:53:10 GMT
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Post by Chris L on Aug 4, 2023 23:32:56 GMT
As I said up thread the outline of the proposed project is a major rebuild not minor tinkering. |
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Post by miff on Aug 5, 2023 13:12:05 GMT
I know but:
1. The govt is nowhere near agreeing the funding yet (the DfT spokeist merely said they’re “continuing to engage with the LLDC and partner organisations on the business case for the long-term upgrades to the station”). So no guarantee the bidders won’t have to settle for something less than their ideal vision, especially once they start costing it.
2. It’ll be necessary to maintain as many services as possible even during a major rebuild therefore I predict at least some of the existing platforms’ll survive a very long time to come, perhaps indefinitely, in their current locations.
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Post by jimbo on Oct 5, 2023 4:15:58 GMT
link says "The 'minimum' is the cheap one, ... . It would see the Elizabeth line platform widened and some control rooms moved around, making a bit more space inside the station's confines without any wider redesign. It would help a bit, but not for long." How could they widen those platforms without relocating all the others in that vicinity? Does it perhaps just mean that they would fill in the former Fenchurch Street shuttle bay platforms to provide the same width platform throughout its length?
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Post by Chris M on Oct 5, 2023 10:20:47 GMT
Widening of the Elizabeth line platforms without major works can only really be achieved by demolishing the structures on the platforms to give the full width of the island to passengers. I agree with whoever is being quoted that this would help a bit, but not for long.
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 5, 2023 17:55:41 GMT
Platform 8 was widened many years ago at the eastern (Essex) end.
Filling in the trackbed for the never used platform 7 will make it possible to widen the platform at the western (London) end but that portion of the platform is rarely (if ever) over-crowded.
How they widen westbound platforms 3 / 5 will be interesting to see. Of course it is doable, but the disruption will be beyond horrific (especially for Central line passengers) and the financial cost will be 'eye-wateringly large'. For any readers who do not understand my comment its worth noting the location of the Central line tracks, tunnel mouths, etc.
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Post by Chris L on Oct 6, 2023 8:10:33 GMT
Platform 8 was widened many years ago at the eastern (Essex) end. Filling in the trackbed for the never used platform 7 will make it possible to widen the platform at the western (London) end but that portion of the platform is rarely (if ever) over-crowded. How they widen westbound platforms 3 / 5 will be interesting to see. Of course it is doable, but the disruption will be beyond horrific (especially for Central line passengers) and the financial cost will be 'eye-wateringly large'. For any readers who do not understand my comment its worth noting the location of the Central line tracks, tunnel mouths, etc. There is no need to widen platform 3 as 3a was added for the Olympics. The gap between the train and platform 5 is a serious issue. The canopy and level interchange to/from platform 3 prevents doing much. The buildings in the middle are occupied by MTR Crossrail staff and include the reception desk for contractors and toilets. |
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 6, 2023 11:32:56 GMT
I've never noted the gap between train and platform as an issue. Maybe though the problem is nearer the middle and / or London end of the platform? I mostly use the Essex end of the platform, especially when changing trains from Central to Elizabeth lines. This is because the escalators at Gants Hill are near this end of the train - and boarding the last car at Gants Hill is a habit I formed back in the days when there were guards on the trains and I was a schoolboy (aged 11) who used the tube to get to school. (many decades ago!)
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