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Post by towerman on Mar 27, 2023 20:39:46 GMT
I’m sure they parked a 67TS in the sdgs once due to disruption on the DR/Picc.meant it couldn’t travel east,think it went the next evening on a special notice.
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Post by tedbarclay on Apr 7, 2023 19:07:43 GMT
The edition of Underground News for June 2015 has an excellent article on the New Works Programme, written by a John P McCrickard. The article can be found here: www.lurs.org.uk/articles15_htm_files/01%20june%20LPTB%20NEW%20WORKS%20PROGRAMME%2080TH%20ANNIVERSARY.pdfIt considered all the aspects of the Programme. Within each component he listed what was achieved and when it was finished. He also helpfully listed sections which never happened. In the section dealing with the 'North East London scheme' - the Central Line Eastern Extensions, the works not undertaken he listed the following: Hainault: Outer (westbound) platform converted to island with additional line. Stratford: Connections between the eastbound tube and LNER Down Local and westbound tube and LNER UpLocal lines, both immediately east of the station, were to installed "at some later date, if required" Although their traffic purpose is not known. Perhaps this answers the question raised? Ted B
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Post by jimbo on Apr 7, 2023 19:46:39 GMT
Well thanks Ted. That puts the link into the future, rather than in earlier plans or construction works. But why would a connection ever have been foreseen? A connection existed at Leyton for occasional workings. The new tunneled route paralleled the LNER to Gants Hill to relieve LNER demand to Ilford. Hainault provided plenty of stabling space. Two branches from Leytonstone used the trunk service capacity. I am at a loss! Surely, "their traffic purpose is not known".
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Post by Chris M on Apr 7, 2023 21:30:32 GMT
To me this sounds like what we would today call passive provision. There wasn't a need for them at that time or in the near future, but they didn't know the long-term future, so the design was done such that they could be easily added if circumstances changed and they became desirable. This seems a very sensible thing to do, even though it turns out that they haven't ever been needed, and the sort of thinking we should encourage in the present day.
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Post by brigham on Apr 8, 2023 7:51:55 GMT
Too true. It's rare enough to RETAIN flexibility, let alone plan for it in advance.
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Post by castlebar on Apr 8, 2023 9:50:14 GMT
To me this sounds like what we would today call passive provision. There wasn't a need for them at that time or in the near future, but they didn't know the long-term future, so the design was done such that they could be easily added if circumstances changed and they became desirable. This seems a very sensible thing to do, even though it turns out that they haven't ever been needed, and the sort of thinking we should encourage in the present day. We certainly SHOULD, - absolutely right. But I still feel there is an attitude of "Reasons why NOT" to do something still prevailing
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Post by spsmiler on Apr 8, 2023 17:41:33 GMT
Stratford: Connections between the eastbound tube and LNER Down Local and westbound tube and LNER UpLocal lines, both immediately east of the station, were to installed "at some later date, if required" Although their traffic purpose is not known. I am unsure if there would even have been enough space to install such links. As to their potential usefulness, I'm even more baffled. After all the tunnels are only suitable for small profile tube trains. Stock transfers were very easy to arrange using the (then) connections at Leyton. And hence a station with a platform that has an historic GER platform canopy and an island platform with a more modern LT Art Deco platform canopy.
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Post by jimbo on Apr 9, 2023 3:38:08 GMT
This built in flexibility reminds me of provision for the Dalston Junction east curve route, maintained for a possible future East London service to Stratford. The 2010 platforms must be further south than the original ones, leaving the preserved connection midway along the platform serving trains from Highbury. It is difficult to see how future workings on the eastern curve could be integrated into the current services with this layout. Equally, it is difficult to see any future workings through from the Central Line to the suburban lines east of Stratford. Platform lengthening for the suburban trains has probably covered the intended site of the connections anyway.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 10, 2023 22:35:53 GMT
I could have only seen it being worth it if it were to run \central line trains via the slow lines (TfL Rail) to Ilford. Where the glass partition subways at the end of the platform would have been the perfect place for it prior to the Olympics re-modelling of the station.
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Post by roythebus on Apr 11, 2023 17:54:34 GMT
The connection between the Met and Central at Ruislip was built when I was a guard at Ricky, late 1973/early 1974. I saw it being built but it wasn't in use in my time there.
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Post by jimbo on Apr 11, 2023 20:41:14 GMT
Was built for construction trains from Ruislip Depot to Baker Street for onward construction of then Fleet Line to Charing Cross, avoiding existing path via North Acton (reverse), Ealing Broadway (reverse), Acton Town (reverse), Rayners Lane (reverse)! Piccadilly reversals in Ruislip siding started much later.
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Post by spsmiler on Apr 11, 2023 22:34:21 GMT
I could have only seen it being worth it if it were to run \central line trains via the slow lines (TfL Rail) to Ilford. Where the glass partition subways at the end of the platform would have been the perfect place for it prior to the Olympics re-modelling of the station. But why would anyone have wanted to do this, seeing that the LNER line was also being electrified - on a very different overhead wire system?
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