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Post by melikepie on Mar 8, 2023 11:10:00 GMT
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brigham
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Post by brigham on Mar 8, 2023 11:26:53 GMT
It's a 'different mode', seemingly!
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Post by jukes on Mar 8, 2023 12:10:24 GMT
If these peak trains are going to be re-routed via Tottenham Hale then Seven Sisters will also loose 4 trains to LST in the morning and 4 to Hertford East in the evening.
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trainwizard
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Post by trainwizard on Mar 8, 2023 19:02:47 GMT
So basically Edmonton Green and Seven Sisters will lose their (non-Overground) National Rail services. I assume that's two less red double arrows on the tube map.
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Post by bicbasher on Mar 15, 2023 22:44:56 GMT
It wouldn't be the first time a TOC has decided to stop serving stations also served by London Overground. Bar one early and two late services, Southern no longer serve Penge West and Anerley leaving it to LO.
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Post by d7666 on Mar 16, 2023 0:02:31 GMT
It wouldn't be the first time a TOC has decided to stop serving stations also served by London Overground. Bar one early and two late services, Southern no longer serve Penge West and Anerley leaving it to LO. And Wembley Central. (Unless someone mentioned it already.) But I don't think "TOC decided ......." is the right terminology. TOCs, even under the pre-covid franchise system are not empowered to do that. In the franchise system stations served are/were embedded in the franchise agreement for the term that any TOC held it. Hence SN ceasing to serve LO stations was known and planned for at the time of the franchise award and built into the award. Post covid any such decision is taken by the DfT, not their quasi-puppet TOCs. |
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Post by Dom K on Mar 16, 2023 11:28:19 GMT
I hope they remove the pointless announcements on the LO trains saying you can change for national rail at Edmonton Green and Seven Sisters. It is a rather pointless announcement anyway as there are so few trains that make the stop M-F and none at weekends and why you would get off the train to get a national rail service to the same destination makes no sense (with the exception of the Hertford East service but you’d be more likely to wait on the serving platform than get on a slow train a few stops to get the fast behind it!
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Post by Alight on Mar 16, 2023 14:37:54 GMT
Not to mention London Overground is in itself a National Rail service!
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Post by t697 on Mar 16, 2023 20:14:00 GMT
Not as far as LUL trains' CIS are concerned. We have to announce LO and National Rail services as separate items where both exist and can be interchanged to from an LUL train. Or at least that was the rule the last time I was involved in an update...
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Post by Alight on Mar 16, 2023 20:59:57 GMT
I was being slightly facetious there. You're absolutely right, in the world of TfL customer language they are treated as two separate things, not least to showcase the distinctiveness of LO being in line with 'Tube' and DLR fares. I suppose in a way the public understand the "national" element of national rail as being trains that go farther afield linking up the nation, and the "London" element of London Overground being trains that are within the realm of London (for the most part).
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Post by vincenture on Mar 21, 2023 4:57:09 GMT
If they are rerouted on the Tottenham branch, is there a chance the Lea Valley Overground routes get better frequencies in the future when needed?
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