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Post by spsmiler on Feb 12, 2023 11:22:55 GMT
Does anyone know of a station with a fixed stairway (without handrails) between the escalators?
St Johns Wood and St Pauls are two stations that I know of that have fixed stairways between the escalators but these have handrails - I feel sure that I've encountered some escalator shafts where the fixed stairway has conical shaped protrusions on the top of the sides (where escalators have moving belts for passengers to hold).
I ask because someone whose Shapeways 3D printing shop includes escalators has offered to add a matching fixed stairway to his catalogue but first I need to supply photos showing exactly what I would like.
As his escalators are HO scale (not OO) the fixed stairway will be a matching size.
Thanks
Simon
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Post by Chris L on Feb 12, 2023 12:25:26 GMT
They are to stop people sliding down the handrail.
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Feb 12, 2023 21:20:15 GMT
For what it's worth I did see something similar at Warren St.. can't remember if it's exactly as you describe but the "handrail" was one of the moving belts with the conical bolts
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 12, 2023 23:59:47 GMT
For what it's worth I did see something similar at Warren St.. can't remember if it's exactly as you describe but the "handrail" was one of the moving belts with the conical bolts Thank you, I will visit and take a look.
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 14, 2023 18:02:38 GMT
I went today, yes I saw the conical anti-slide devices but the stairway also had handrails.
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Post by melikepie on Feb 17, 2023 9:02:39 GMT
I'm pretty sure Highbury and Islington from the Victoria, possibly Paddington from the Bakerloo and Southgate all have stairs between the escalators
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Post by Chris M on Feb 17, 2023 14:24:19 GMT
I've looked through all my photos, and some that Wikimedia Commons and Google have shown me but I've not found a single example of a fixed stairway between escalators that doesn't have handrails. Some handrails are more prominent than others (from memory Blackhorse Road and St. John's Wood are examples of less prominent ones) but they all have them. Indeed off the top of my head, I can't think of any flight of stairs longer than a few steps anywhere on TfL that doesn't have a handrail and as someone whose mobility issues are aided by handrails this is something I'm happy about. Cleaning them could sometimes be improved though.
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Post by Chris L on Feb 17, 2023 19:38:36 GMT
The staircases between escalators are numbered in the same sequence.
The are examples where the stairs have been replaced with an escalator.
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 17, 2023 21:32:42 GMT
I've looked through all my photos, and some that Wikimedia Commons and Google have shown me but I've not found a single example of a fixed stairway between escalators that doesn't have handrails. Some handrails are more prominent than others (from memory Blackhorse Road and St. John's Wood are examples of less prominent ones) but they all have them. Indeed off the top of my head, I can't think of any flight of stairs longer than a few steps anywhere on TfL that doesn't have a handrail and as someone whose mobility issues are aided by handrails this is something I'm happy about. Cleaning them could sometimes be improved though. Thank you Chris. I feel sure that many years ago (1970s, 1980s??) I descended fixed stairs which only had the anti-slide devices - which I found to be a nuisance. This will be why they are so stuck in my memory. I wonder though ... maybe years ago the situation was as I remember it but handrails were subsequently added because it improved safety. Simon
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Post by Chris L on Feb 17, 2023 22:04:58 GMT
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Post by brigham on Feb 18, 2023 8:22:14 GMT
The handrails in the photo are how I remember them. Fixed versions of the moving handrails on the escalators. As a kid, I thought the stairs might once have been an escalator, now disused; but I later learned that they were simply provision for an extra escalator, should increased traffic require it at a future date.
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Post by theblackferret on Feb 18, 2023 12:03:12 GMT
I can remember from the late 1960's & early to mid 1970's a couple of locations where there were either metal fixed handrails on the stairs or no handrails at all.
In both instances, the escalators flanking the stairs were the old-fashioned slatted wood style and they audibly chugged away as you used them.
I can't recall either location's name,but as I wasn't working in London then & my regular girlfriends were all down near me in Kent, the locations narrow down to either:
1-Interchange stations from the District to the Piccadilly & less likely Northern or Bakerloo lines from arriving main-line at Charing Cross or Victoria
2-The Tube stations serving those two termini or Euston(when going to Old Trafford for Utd. home games),just possibly King's Cross as an alternate route up North/changing point
3-Stations serving the top football grounds ie Fulham Broadway,Arsenal or Upton Park-Seven Sisters would probably have had modern escalators from the start & in those days I only went to Fulham by car or bus.
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Post by Chris L on Feb 18, 2023 14:40:37 GMT
3-Stations serving the top football grounds ie Fulham Broadway,Arsenal or Upton Park-Seven Sisters would probably have had modern escalators from the start & in those days I only went to Fulham by car or bus. No escalators at Fulham Broadway, Arsenal or Upton Park.
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Post by rincew1nd on Feb 18, 2023 20:38:07 GMT
I'm sure there's somewhere on Merseyrail that this still exists. I think it's one of a bank of two rather than one in three, but it's deffo that - an escalator with stairs in rather than moving steps.
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Post by d7666 on Feb 19, 2023 0:36:03 GMT
This thread has lost me somewhere along the line.
I thought the question was Does anyone know of a station with a fixed stairway (without handrails) between the escalators?
Surely that last post with the museum image the dark continuous band on each side of the stairs rather like an escalator IS the handrail ? The moving dark band on an actual moving escalator is the escalator handrail is it not ? Therefore the non moving dark band on the non moving stairs is equally a handrail ?
With which I agree with ChrisM upthread, they all seem to have handrails.
Or have I missed some subtle digression point on the way here ?
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Post by Chris M on Feb 19, 2023 0:59:20 GMT
My understanding is that Simon is asking about stairs that don't have normal metal handrails instead of/in addition to the escalator handrails, as in the photo below (the photo was taken in 2009)
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Post by johnlinford on Feb 19, 2023 12:39:29 GMT
The issue is that building regulations stipulate landings every certain number of steps (depends on various features of the staircase such as width, tread height etc) to prevent you falling all the way down if you slip. This means that the handrails need to "kink" with the stairs as in the photo above. There may have been historic ones at some point but I suspect they have all been refurbished to meet accessibility criteria over time.
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Post by theblackferret on Feb 19, 2023 21:18:55 GMT
Looking at @chris M's photo,that's exactly the style of handrail I remember and it was probably on a comparatively short & shallow escalator & maybe in a tucked-away section of an interchange or main-line serving Tube station, thus one that saw less footfall in the working week.
It may also have been a wooden rail-I never used it,just noticed it more than once. Equally, the rail-less stairs could have been a temporary phase between wooden & metal handrails.
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Post by rincew1nd on Apr 9, 2023 17:24:36 GMT
I'm sure there's somewhere on Merseyrail that this still exists. I think it's one of a bank of two rather than one in three, but it's deffo that - an escalator with stairs in rather than moving steps. Found them, one with extra handrails, one without:
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Post by Tom on Apr 10, 2023 8:47:51 GMT
There's a set of stairs like this at Heathrow T123 as well, from the surface/Bus station level down to Ticket Hall level.
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Post by Chris L on Apr 10, 2023 9:43:07 GMT
I can't remember which station but one of the stairs between 2 escalators was replaced by an escalator on the Victoria line.
The stairs between escalators are all numbered in the escalator sequence.
Safety standards now dictate that all staircases have to have handrails at child height as well as normal height.
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Post by spsmiler on Apr 10, 2023 11:53:39 GMT
Safety standards now dictate that all staircases have to have handrails at child height as well as normal height. I am assuming that this safety requirement also applies to fixed stairs alongside escalators, and on this basis it just about rules out what I wanted when I started this thread. As I said at the start of this thread, there is someone at Shapeways who was working on creating a 3D model of a fixed stairway flanked by escalators but he was having difficulty getting the handrails right, so I wanted to show an example without handrails. Since its not allowed anymore and what I am modelling is meant to be (sort of) modern image so I will want the fixed stairs to have the handrails. I might scrap the whole idea or see if he can make just a fixed stairway that matches the length and step pitch of one of the escalators he already sells. What is needed now is / are models of fixed stairways that are not in escalator shafts with two sets of handrails. A different story! Thanks everyone for your assistance in this thread. Simon
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Post by rincew1nd on Apr 10, 2023 18:45:58 GMT
One of the examples I posted above doesn't have independent handrails, so whilst it might not be permitted for new installations it must be for existing ones.
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Post by spsmiler on Apr 10, 2023 19:53:47 GMT
Thats something I overlooked - grandfather rights!
Thanks for the reminder.
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Post by Chris M on Apr 10, 2023 19:55:34 GMT
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