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Post by Chris M on Nov 16, 2022 12:23:27 GMT
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 16, 2022 14:16:43 GMT
I saw this somewhere earlier today, I think that especially where the gap between train floor and platform is 'fairly small' this will be ideal. Quick, easy, lightweight - easier to deploy.
But not suitable for where tube and subsurface trains call at the same platforms, nor perhaps at stations on converted steam train routes where the width of the gap between the platform and the tube train floors are wider. Leyton / Leytonstone (Central line) come to mind, as I pass through these fairly often.
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Post by stapler on Nov 16, 2022 16:26:36 GMT
Also, the platform height of the converted GER lines was, I think standardised on conversion - which was always an uneasy compromise, and can make the gradient of the ramps too great. I rather get the impression step-free access has been taking a back seat lately, both at "difficult" outer stations like Loughton and Leyton WB, and of course at the deep level inner stations.
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Post by Chris L on Nov 16, 2022 19:22:41 GMT
Not a lot of point deploying ramps at stations without step free access.
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Post by jimbo on Nov 16, 2022 19:24:52 GMT
It must be some 50 years since the GER lines saw main line train services. Plenty of time for the tracks to slowly move towards standard tube line positions at each renewal!
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Post by Chris M on Nov 16, 2022 19:27:37 GMT
The reason step-free access has taken a bit of a back seat recently is mostly the budget issues, but also TfL has been running a consultation on which types of stations should be prioritised. The result (as noted in the article linked at the top of this thread) was a slight preference for adding step-free access in areas that don't have any rather than making other areas step-free hubs. If followed-through then that would deprioritise Loughton, being adjacent to both Debden and Buckhurst Hill.
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Post by Colin on Nov 17, 2022 0:01:37 GMT
Not a lot of point deploying ramps at stations without step free access. Still useful if a train is being removed from service and a relevant passenger needs to be taken off and put onto a following train, for example.
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Post by d7666 on Nov 17, 2022 1:16:03 GMT
Not a lot of point deploying ramps at stations without step free access. Still useful if a train is being removed from service and a relevant passenger needs to be taken off and put onto a following train, for example. Indeed. Or interchanging. Either between lines or by short workings. That comment exemplifies how the needs of mobility restricted persons are not understood.
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Post by Chris L on Nov 17, 2022 7:14:04 GMT
Still useful if a train is being removed from service and a relevant passenger needs to be taken off and put onto a following train, for example. Indeed. Or interchanging. Either between lines or by short workings. That comment exemplifies how the needs of mobility restricted persons are not understood. I well understand the needs of mobility restricted persons. I carried out surveys for low level signage at stations with lifts. These signs have since been installed. The point I made is that more needs to be done to improve step free access. This needs to be turn up and go. The lack of staff at many stations makes this almost impossible to deploy these ramps. A few weeks ago on a very busy Sunday I saw a power wheelchair user get on the train at Battersea Park Station. I wondered where he could alight on the Charing Cross branch. However he was able to get off at Kennington for the City branch.
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Post by stapler on Nov 17, 2022 8:31:27 GMT
<< The result (as noted in the article linked at the top of this thread) was a slight preference for adding step-free access in areas that don't have any rather than making other areas step-free hubs. If followed-through then that would deprioritise Loughton, being adjacent to both Debden and Buckhurst Hill.>> True, but although Buckhurst Hill was made step-free by reopening the long-closed entrances at the south, they debouch a wheelchair user where s/he doesn't want to be for interchange; a bus every 75 minutes on the 549? And as for Debden [is there a less pleasant approach route anywhere else on TfL?], with a rough barriered alleyway to the buses?
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Post by Chris M on Nov 17, 2022 10:55:08 GMT
The pot of money is both finite and significantly smaller than it was, so it has to prioritised somehow. While neither Debden nor Buckhurst Hill stations are great, someone who needs step-free access can use them and be reasonably near their destination. The same is not true if one's destination is in e.g. the Ruislip area.
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Post by Chris L on Nov 17, 2022 13:33:22 GMT
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