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Post by programmes1 on Aug 12, 2022 15:13:10 GMT
Hoping someone can help I have been told that there was going to be a Wimbledon desk in Earls Court control room, apparently all to do with the delays as well as the poor platform indicators on the branch. It was proposed to put it where the east end control of the Picc was originally what they called Metal Mickey and I suppose would have been for passing information on, no signalling controls which are Network Rail’s.
Don’t know if this should be in another location I will leave the Mods to decide.
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Post by DWS on Aug 12, 2022 15:52:46 GMT
First what use would this be if it had no control of signalling as for passing of information this was done by a member of staff from a desk at the rear of the room next to the District Line Controller .
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 12, 2022 16:19:52 GMT
All that appeared was a “WARS” Wimbledon Area Resignalling Scheme display, from Wimbledon-Putney Bridge
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Post by DWS on Aug 12, 2022 16:27:45 GMT
All that appeared was a “WARS” Wimbledon Area Resignalling Scheme display, from Wimbledon-Putney Bridge That was to the left of the Parsons Green desk as I recall. |
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Post by programmes1 on Aug 12, 2022 16:58:16 GMT
First what use would this be if it had no control of signalling as for passing of information this was done by a member of staff from a desk at the rear of the room next to the District Line Controller . I don't know as I don't work on the railway but it was put to me that information on the branch was non existent and the platform signs always seemed to be not working correctly therefore if they had a dedicated the situation might have improved. There is a thread on here about the signs at Wimbledon being somewhat unreliable. It could be that senior managers lived on the branch I seem to remember something about the Chesham branch some years back. I was told this in an email and I am waiting for more if there is what made me laugh was there was someone in the control room who had the nickname "Doctor Death"  perhaps they did not like working the desk for Parsons Green/Putney Bridge. |
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Post by programmes1 on Aug 12, 2022 16:59:23 GMT
All that appeared was a “WARS” Wimbledon Area Resignalling Scheme display, from Wimbledon-Putney Bridge I think it was to do with that system not being very reliable. |
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Post by towerman on Aug 12, 2022 17:26:50 GMT
In the early to mid 70s the chief schedule compiler lived at Chesham,he became Chief Operating Manager can’t remember his name he always rode to London in the cab.
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Post by Tom on Aug 12, 2022 18:23:00 GMT
As far as I am aware, there was never a plan for the signalling between East Putney and Wimbledon to be controlled from Earl's Court.
Drawings were prepared for migration of the area east of Tower Hill to the control room, but again these never came to fruition.
There was a 'high profile' user of the branch - Mike Brown.
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Post by jimbo on Aug 12, 2022 20:03:35 GMT
In the early to mid 70s the chief schedule compiler lived at Chesham,he became Chief Operating Manager can’t remember his name he always rode to London in the cab. Was it Doug Heslop? It's been a while! I think it was Al Heslop now! |
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Post by towerman on Aug 12, 2022 23:33:44 GMT
Possibly the name rings a bell,rode in the cab with him a few times,seemed a nice chap.
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Post by programmes1 on Aug 13, 2022 5:35:37 GMT
In the early to mid 70s the chief schedule compiler lived at Chesham,he became Chief Operating Manager can’t remember his name he always rode to London in the cab. Sounds like the reason not to upset any Chesham users if he made it to Chief Operating Manager. As far as I am aware, there was never a plan for the signalling between East Putney and Wimbledon to be controlled from Earl's Court. Drawings were prepared for migration of the area east of Tower Hill to the control room, but again these never came to fruition. There was a 'high profile' user of the branch - Mike Brown. Tom, As I never mentioned controlling any of the signalling in my first post. As far as I know the plan to control east of Tower Hill was dropped at an early stage according to some material in the museum. Mike Brown that's the person he was not happy about the situation and wanted a designated person to oversee the comings and goings, this what I have have received last night. |
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Post by Tom on Aug 13, 2022 13:29:37 GMT
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Post by programmes1 on Aug 15, 2022 7:58:24 GMT
Thanks everyone for your input and thoughts.
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Post by youngmale1967 on Aug 22, 2022 17:10:18 GMT
There was a Wimbledon desk at Earls Court, it was only in operation for a few years, this desk was to input the data into WARS. There is no signalling control on this desk just information. It was covered by displaced SO4, secondments & finally by EC SO4.
It closed around April 2018 with WARS going back to Hammersmith Desk.
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Post by programmes1 on Aug 22, 2022 18:06:39 GMT
There was a Wimbledon desk at Earls Court, it was only in operation for a few years, this desk was to input the data into WARS. There is no signalling control on this desk just information. It was covered by displaced SO4, secondments & finally by EC SO4. It closed around April 2018 with WARS going back to Hammersmith Desk. Thanks for that the desk they used was where the east end of the picc was? |
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Post by programmes1 on Aug 22, 2022 18:08:21 GMT
In the early to mid 70s the chief schedule compiler lived at Chesham,he became Chief Operating Manager can’t remember his name he always rode to London in the cab. Sounds like the reason not to upset any Chesham users if he made it to Chief Operating Manager. As far as I am aware, there was never a plan for the signalling between East Putney and Wimbledon to be controlled from Earl's Court. Drawings were prepared for migration of the area east of Tower Hill to the control room, but again these never came to fruition. There was a 'high profile' user of the branch - Mike Brown. Tom, As I never mentioned controlling any of the signalling in my first post. As far as I know the plan to control east of Tower Hill was dropped at an early stage according to some material in the museum. Mike Brown that's the person he was not happy about the situation and wanted a designated person to oversee the comings and goings, this what I have have received last night. Thanks DSTOCK7080 for merging despite trying it never seems to work for me must be doing something wrong. |
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Post by roythebus on Aug 29, 2022 21:51:51 GMT
WW Maxwell (head operating manager) used to live on the Wimbledon branch in the 1960s/1970s. A memorable occasion when one evening the legendary PG Motorman Harry Mason got gapped on Putney Bridge. There was a knock on the cab door, and a man enquired "what's the problem driver?" "Run out of electricity, got a shilling for the meter guv?" It was WW Maxwell asking the question!
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Post by youngmale1967 on Aug 30, 2022 8:07:12 GMT
Yes, only after the East End signalling had a upgrade and moved to Room 39. The Train technician was then moved there as it give them more space. When the Piccadilly Line Signalling control and Line Controllers moved to South Kensington with Train Technicians, Technical Offices & Service Managers. At some point Wimbledon Wars computer moved from Hammersmith Desk. It was only opened for a brief period. There was a Wimbledon desk at Earls Court, it was only in operation for a few years, this desk was to input the data into WARS. There is no signalling control on this desk just information. It was covered by displaced SO4, secondments & finally by EC SO4. It closed around April 2018 with WARS going back to Hammersmith Desk. Thanks for that the desk they used was where the east end of the picc was? |
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Post by programmes1 on Aug 30, 2022 12:44:45 GMT
Yes, only after the East End signalling had a upgrade and moved to Room 39. The Train technician was then moved there as it give them more space. When the Piccadilly Line Signalling control and Line Controllers moved to South Kensington with Train Technicians, Technical Offices & Service Managers. At some point Wimbledon Wars computer moved from Hammersmith Desk. It was only opened for a brief period. Thanks for that the desk they used was where the east end of the picc was? Thanks for confirming, someone once told me that Earls Court was a bit tight for space although they seemed to get a lot in there. I bet the working conditions were somewhat uncomfortable. |
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Post by Tom on Aug 30, 2022 21:47:38 GMT
It was extremely cramped at times considering there were 11 or 12 people in the room when it was busy.
I remember going there in 2015 and being surprised at how small it was, compared to my memory of the room from several years earlier!
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Post by programmes1 on Aug 31, 2022 14:01:38 GMT
It was extremely cramped at times considering there were 11 or 12 people in the room when it was busy. I remember going there in 2015 and being surprised at how small it was, compared to my memory of the room from several years earlier! It is strange when you consider what was going to be controlled from there bad planning perhaps. |
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Post by Tom on Aug 31, 2022 20:59:37 GMT
Yes and no, we forget that originally the route buttons were in drawers underneath the diagram and the view was that the regulator was there to provide oversight, rather than get involved in the way they ended up doing.
When you see the room in the mid-1960s there seemed to be a lot more space - though I would suggest the shortcomings were known quite quickly considering Cobourg Street had the purpose-built desks from the outset.
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Post by programmes1 on Sept 1, 2022 10:35:04 GMT
Yes and no, we forget that originally the route buttons were in drawers underneath the diagram and the view was that the regulator was there to provide oversight, rather than get involved in the way they ended up doing. When you see the room in the mid-1960s there seemed to be a lot more space - though I would suggest the shortcomings were known quite quickly considering Cobourg Street had the purpose-built desks from the outset. Thanks Tom as always, a very informative reply. |
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Post by joshua on Jan 28, 2023 23:09:46 GMT
Is there any photos of the Wimbledon desk?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 2, 2023 15:38:47 GMT
Is there any photos of the Wimbledon desk? Nothing was installed at Earl's Court. |
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Post by joshua on Feb 2, 2023 23:23:12 GMT
Is there any photos of the Wimbledon desk? Nothing was installed at Earl's Court. What would it have looked like? |
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Post by JR 15secs on Feb 4, 2023 8:09:55 GMT
Nothing was installed at Earl's Court. What would it have looked like? I think they used what was the East end desk before it moved to room 39. It was just a keyboard, phones and computer. There was a photo of that on anorakheaven site but that seems to have bit the dust. |
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perhaps they did not like working the desk for Parsons Green/Putney Bridge.
