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Post by zbang on Jul 21, 2022 15:33:58 GMT
I happened to check the HR journey planner for a trip from Terminal 4 to Earls Court, it had me taking a bus to Hatton Cross then the train. A few minutes later the google planner had me get on the Picc at the airport. Any reason for the bus part or was that just an exercize in dice-rolling?
(I'm taking the express train next time since my rail pass covers it; this is more curiosity.)
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Post by sawb on Jul 21, 2022 20:28:27 GMT
The assumption I'm making from your post is that you were using google maps to plan your journey? If that's the case, google maps is notoriously unreliable for planning journeys involving public transport and should be avoided. It's increasingly becoming bad at planning walking or cycling only journeys as well. Overall, best to avoid google maps unless you're planning a car journey.
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Post by zbang on Jul 21, 2022 22:37:25 GMT
Interesting, using google maps for transit has been fairly good for me; at least in London, Boston, and San Francisco. My only problem is that it doesn't consider the local ferries.
That said, if I shouldn't use it, what should I use (that's missing from the "don't use" post)? And why would they be different?
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Post by Chris L on Jul 21, 2022 23:57:50 GMT
I happened to check the HR journey planner for a trip from Terminal 4 to Earls Court, it had me taking a bus to Hatton Cross then the train. A few minutes later the google planner had me get on the Picc at the airport. Any reason for the bus part or was that just an exercize in dice-rolling?
(I'm taking the express train next time since my rail pass covers it; this is more curiosity.)
The Piccadilly service via Terminal 4 is not that frequent. If you have just missed a train it may be quicker to get the bus to Hatton Cross to connect with a train from Terminals 2/3. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jul 22, 2022 7:19:11 GMT
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Post by brigham on Jul 22, 2022 7:28:26 GMT
The Piccadilly service via Terminal 4 is not that frequent. If you have just missed a train it may be quicker to get the bus to Hatton Cross to connect with a train from Terminals 2/3. So Heathrow Airport is now so large, that not only does it have more than one station, but it's quicker to get a bus to somewhere off the site, than to go between two internal stations. In comparison, Newcastle Airport has no National Rail station, just one for the local Metro, and Tees-Side airport, although served by NR, has one train a WEEK, in one direction only. |
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Post by zbang on Jul 22, 2022 14:20:45 GMT
The Piccadilly service via Terminal 4 is not that frequent. If you have just missed a train it may be quicker to get the bus to Hatton Cross to connect with a train from Terminals 2/3. That's much more rational explanation than "don't use google", thanks.
Turns out I should have been checking for T2 anyway.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 23, 2022 17:09:02 GMT
So Heathrow Airport is now so large, that not only does it have more than one station, but it's quicker to get a bus to somewhere off the site, than to go between two internal stations. . Hatton Cross is within the airport's perimeter, albeit not near any of the terminals. Because the Picadilly Line trains serve T4 before T23, it can be quicker to get a bus to Hatton Cross than go round the loop. Bus between T4 and T5 is usually quicker than changing trains at Heathrow Central. |
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Post by Tom on Jul 23, 2022 18:51:44 GMT
Because the Picadilly Line trains serve T4 before T23, it can be quicker to get a bus to Hatton Cross than go round the loop. Bus between T4 and T5 is usually quicker than changing trains at Heathrow Central. Since Terminal 5 opened in 2008, the train service splits at Hatton Cross - half the service goes to Terminal 4 then to T123, the other half to Terminals 123 and T5. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 23, 2022 21:52:38 GMT
Because the Picadilly Line trains serve T4 before T23, it can be quicker to get a bus to Hatton Cross than go round the loop. Bus between T4 and T5 is usually quicker than changing trains at Heathrow Central. Since Terminal 5 opened in 2008, the train service splits at Hatton Cross - half the service goes to Terminal 4 then to T123, the other half to Terminals 123 and T5. Indeed - the OP was talkinmg about travel from T4 to central London. I can't envisage a circumstance where it would be quicker to get off at hatton Cross and get a bus to T2/3, especially as the buses have to go halfway round the airport to reach the road tunnel. Buses used to be allowed through the "cargo tunnel" between the central area and the south side (Route 82, introduced in 1970 - coincidentally route 82 had previously beenthe number of a route through another tunnel - Rotherhithe). Other routes also ran throuigh the tunnel after T4 opened in 1986, but heightened security requirements ended this practice in 1989, after which there was no direct public transport connection between the central area and T4 until the Heathrow Express opened. |
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Post by stuartroy on Sept 5, 2022 17:13:54 GMT
I've noticed that on the TFL Go app, trains are described as "T4" or else "T2&3". I take it from the foregoing discussion that "T2&3" trains continue to T5? Is this all of them, or are some turned (in normal service patterns) at T2&3?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 5, 2022 18:38:10 GMT
Is this all of them, or are some turned (in normal service patterns) at T2&3? The only two trains are 23.54¾ ex-Cockfosters Mon-Thur is scheduled to terminate at Heathrow Terminals 2&3 at 01.20½, 23.01 ex-Cockfosters SUN is scheduled to terminate at Heathrow Terminals 2&3 at 00.26¼ |
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Post by stuartroy on Sept 6, 2022 17:54:22 GMT
Thanks. That's going to be helpful.
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