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Post by gantshill on Jun 3, 2022 21:32:10 GMT
I saw mention on a thread about the Bank closure about Metropolitan line diagrams not yet showing the Elizabeth line interchange.
I travelled on the Met a couple of times this week and there were new diagrams with the Elizabeth line interchange showing on the bigger diagrams, but not the ones over the doors or by the end of the cars: those still had the older version of the diagrams.
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Post by A60stock on Jun 3, 2022 22:03:46 GMT
I believe they are being rolled out slowly.
Interesting that this is probably the first update to the maps in a very long time indeed and almost the first since the stock was introduced.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 4, 2022 0:08:19 GMT
Interesting that this is probably the first update to the maps in a very long time indeed and almost the first since the stock was introduced. There was an update across the Sub-surface for the introduction of TfL Rail in 2015. |
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Post by MoreToJack on Jun 4, 2022 14:06:34 GMT
A significant number of Met line trains never received TfL Rail as anything other than a sticker. Most of the diagrams are (were) post-Olympics but there was definitely still at least one train running around with an Olympic diagram in the last 12 months.
As ever, it can take a while to reach the whole fleet, especially where there is significant outstanding away from the main depot. 24 trains start up from Neasden whilst the rest come from Rickmansworth (9), Watford (4) and Uxbridge (11). With the way rolling stock working happens on the Met it’s entirely possible for a train to spend a number of days bouncing around the top end, not returning to Neasden until after the main programme of diagram replacement has finished.
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Post by t697 on Jun 5, 2022 11:44:07 GMT
I was a little early commenting that Met line diagrams were still the old ones. I see the main Met line diagrams in the S8 trains are now being replaced with new ones. The smaller version together with the Central Area diagram above the doorways still await new versions.
The new line diagram does have some surprises and anomalies.
- Amersham and Harrow are now shown as step-free from platform to street even though I'm sure they have RVAR compliance at the RVAR wheelchair doorways. Perhaps not every platform? Chalfont, Chorleywood and others now including Moorgate show as step-free from train to street.
- There hasn't been a new crop of OSIs showing, unlike the Northern and Piccadilly updates. So Northwick Park and Finchley Road don't show the OSIs that appear on the pocket Tube Map.
- Elizabeth line appears at Farringdon, Moorgate and Liverpool Street. TfL Rail replaced by Elizabeth line at Liverpool Street of course.
- London Overground has been removed from the Liverpool Street interchanges - what might that presage I wonder, or is it a mistake?
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Post by d7666 on Jun 5, 2022 21:17:01 GMT
I was a little early commenting that Met line diagrams were still the old ones. I see the main Met line diagrams in the S8 trains are now being replaced with new ones. The smaller version together with the Central Area diagram above the doorways still await new versions. The new line diagram does have some surprises and anomalies. - Amersham and Harrow are now shown as step-free from platform to street even though I'm sure they have RVAR compliance at the RVAR wheelchair doorways. Perhaps not every platform? Chalfont, Chorleywood and others now including Moorgate show as step-free from train to street. - There hasn't been a new crop of OSIs showing, unlike the Northern and Piccadilly updates. So Northwick Park and Finchley Road don't show the OSIs that appear on the pocket Tube Map. - Elizabeth line appears at Farringdon, Moorgate and Liverpool Street. TfL Rail replaced by Elizabeth line at Liverpool Street of course. - London Overground has been removed from the Liverpool Street interchanges - what might that presage I wonder, or is it a mistake? OSI ? Please explain this TLA in this context. |
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 5, 2022 21:47:12 GMT
Out of station interchanges - if you leave one of these stations and walk to the other station(s) within its pairing within the preset time limit* and then enter that station you will not be charged for a brand new journey. Instead you will be charged for a single through journey, even though it was split in to two sections.
*time limits vary depending on walking distance but in my experience are generous, you do NOT need to run.
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Post by d7666 on Jun 6, 2022 1:19:06 GMT
Out of station interchanges - if you leave one of these stations and walk to the other station(s) within its pairing within the preset time limit* and then enter that station you will not be charged for a brand new journey. Instead you will be charged for a single through journey, even though it was split in to two sections. tx  I know what "out of station interchange" is - but did not know that it was meant here, as the TLA was not explained. Me - engineer - OSI means Open Systems Interconnection, or if one operates in the £.s.d. world, ounces per square inch pressure, and google threw up many other suggestions for OSI, but not the one meant here. |
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Post by t697 on Jun 6, 2022 7:44:08 GMT
I'm an engineer too but OSI has been used quite frequently in several threads on here so in the context of the line diagrams and Tube Map I thought it obvious enough. Perhaps the Mods would add it to the forum's list of abbreviations?
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Post by geriatrix on Jun 6, 2022 11:31:29 GMT
Totally irrelevant, but in airline talk OSI means other service information, and can be used on a passenger's reservation to indicate extra info. OSI 1CHD would indicate one of the passengers is a child. That was how it worked twenty or so years ago, anyway.
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Post by MoreToJack on Jun 6, 2022 12:37:38 GMT
Perhaps the Mods would add it to the forum's list of abbreviations? |
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Post by d7666 on Jun 6, 2022 14:40:18 GMT
I'm an engineer too but OSI has been used quite frequently in several threads on here so in the context of the line diagrams and Tube Map I thought it obvious enough. Perhaps the Mods would add it to the forum's list of abbreviations? Engineers in different fields then. Anyway, mods added it to list, so SSS. See it. Say it. Sorted  ................ aaaarrgghhhhh!!!!!!! |
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Post by Chris L on Jun 6, 2022 19:28:43 GMT
I was a little early commenting that Met line diagrams were still the old ones. I see the main Met line diagrams in the S8 trains are now being replaced with new ones. The smaller version together with the Central Area diagram above the doorways still await new versions. The new line diagram does have some surprises and anomalies. - Amersham and Harrow are now shown as step-free from platform to street even though I'm sure they have RVAR compliance at the RVAR wheelchair doorways. Perhaps not every platform? Chalfont, Chorleywood and others now including Moorgate show as step-free from train to street. - There hasn't been a new crop of OSIs showing, unlike the Northern and Piccadilly updates. So Northwick Park and Finchley Road don't show the OSIs that appear on the pocket Tube Map. - Elizabeth line appears at Farringdon, Moorgate and Liverpool Street. TfL Rail replaced by Elizabeth line at Liverpool Street of course. - London Overground has been removed from the Liverpool Street interchanges - what might that presage I wonder, or is it a mistake? Somebody forgot to add Overground to the interchange signing on the Elizabeth line areas at Liverpool Street. Lots of vinyl roundels added to the front of the glass signs (other information printed on the back of the glass). |
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Post by brigham on Jun 7, 2022 7:53:10 GMT
Was it removed, or was it ever there in the first place?
The plot thickens...
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Post by t697 on Jun 7, 2022 17:42:11 GMT
Was it removed, or was it ever there in the first place? The plot thickens... On the old in car Metropolitan line diagrams Liverpool Street had an overlay sticker that included London Overground and TfL Rail. I understand actions have been started to address all the anomalies mentioned earlier in the thread about S8 trains except the OSIs which are an intentional omission for Northwick Park and Finchley Road. Could be a while before seen on trains.
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Post by cso on Jun 7, 2022 22:35:21 GMT
Somebody forgot to add Overground to the interchange signing on the Elizabeth line areas at Liverpool Street. Lots of vinyl roundels added to the front of the glass signs (other information printed on the back of the glass). I noticed that as well... very bizarre! |
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Post by A60stock on Sept 20, 2022 21:36:11 GMT
Still no changes to the new maps to include the overground interchange at Liverpool Street.
Also note that the smaller maps above the doors have still not been changed to the new ones. Why such a delay?
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Post by brigham on Sept 21, 2022 7:43:45 GMT
Still no changes to the new maps to include the overground interchange at Liverpool Street. Also note that the smaller maps above the doors have still not been changed to the new ones. Why such a delay? Why the rush? |
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Post by A60stock on Sept 21, 2022 8:11:39 GMT
The Elizabeth line has now been open for almost 5 months. This is far the opposite of being rushed, its too slow
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 21, 2022 9:54:54 GMT
The Elizabeth line has now been open for almost 5 months. This is far the opposite of being rushed, its too slow Further diagrams will be required after 5 November when the revised services operate and Bond Street station has opened in October. |
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Post by Chris M on Sept 21, 2022 10:02:57 GMT
I don't know how much replacing the line diagrams costs, but they aren't free and TfL has not exactly been rolling in money of late.
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Post by d7666 on Sept 21, 2022 15:16:23 GMT
The Elizabeth line has now been open for almost 5 months. This is far the opposite of being rushed, its too slow Digressing a little (& maybe mods might want to shunt this elsewhere) Thameslink 700s units have yet to recognise it at all. For any who are not aware, on 700s internal CIS displays one of the screens scrolled through is a version of the LU ESUB summary i.e. normal / minor / major delays etc. They still show "TfL Rail" not Elizabeth line. Some might argue about time to do upgrades BUT they have actually done a different one one for a main line reason after Eliz. opened. As well as this, the internal connections maps also do not show Eliz. line. Considering Farringdon is a major interchange generally not just between Thameslink and Eliz. that is pretty poor after this time. Farringdon station TL platforms are however signed. But then again, it's an all LU station, including the Thameslink platforms. |
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Post by t697 on Sept 21, 2022 16:40:06 GMT
A sensible middle path might be to do the Central Area diagrams when Bond St (Elizabeth line) opens and perhaps fix all the Met line CLD anomalies and update omissions at the same time.
Probably too sensible!
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Post by Chris L on Sept 21, 2022 18:38:29 GMT
I don't know how much replacing the line diagrams costs, but they aren't free and TfL has not exactly been rolling in money of late. The vitreous enamel line diagrams on the platforms are already there under vinyl. The diagrams in the trains are card that slot into place rather than self adhesive so easier to change. |
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Post by t697 on Sept 22, 2022 8:01:19 GMT
Line diagrams and Central Area diagrams in S stock are all sticky back, not slot in cards.
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Post by brigham on Sept 23, 2022 7:21:36 GMT
Line diagrams and Central Area diagrams in S stock are all sticky back, not slot in cards. As Lesley Judd will no doubt confirm... |
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Post by AndrewS on Sept 23, 2022 18:25:07 GMT
As Lesley Judd will no doubt confirm... You youngsters! Valerie Singleton, please. Quote partially removed. Please be selective about the part of a post you wish to quote rather than the whole post verbatim, particularly if you are replying to the previous post in the thread.
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Post by greatcentral on Oct 7, 2022 10:47:18 GMT
The new line diagram does have some surprises and anomalies. - Amersham and Harrow are now shown as step-free from platform to street even though I'm sure they have RVAR compliance at the RVAR wheelchair doorways. Perhaps not every platform? Chalfont, Chorleywood and others now including Moorgate show as step-free from train to street. Amersham certainly step free from all platforms to street. The ghastly new bridge has lifts from all 3 platforms and there is level access to the street after the gateline Quote partially removed. Please be selective about the part of a post you wish to quote rather than the whole post verbatim, particularly if you are replying to the previous post in the thread.
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Post by AndrewS on Oct 8, 2022 17:42:20 GMT
Quote partially removed. Please be selective about the part of a post you wish to quote rather than the whole post verbatim, particularly if you are replying to the previous post in the thread.
-Antharro. Sorry! We're not all experts at this and I wasn't sure if interfering with what came up when I clicked "Quote" would have unintended consequences. |
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Post by brigham on Oct 11, 2022 7:42:03 GMT
Sorry! We're not all experts at this and I wasn't sure if interfering with what came up when I clicked "Quote" would have unintended consequences. It can have spectacular consequences, until you get used to doing it! |
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