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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2005 0:23:56 GMT
My son's (twin boys just turned 3) like watching trains and tubes and we usally go down to West Ruislip to watch which my boys think it's great and beats watching TV during the day. (CBBC is on a 4 hr loop and gets VERY boring!) I would hope I was a responsable dad and encrouge them to be sensible on the station not to throw stones and not stand near the edge of the platform etc but from a drivers/LU employer point of veiw is there anything that you would suggest that would make your life easier while at work? Being reading a few of the threads about one unders and at the east end of the line and wouldn't want to be a burden or my son's on any person working on the LU.
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Post by citysig on Apr 1, 2005 0:53:08 GMT
In my opinion, those who grow up with an interest in something are far less likely to abuse it when they get older. From what you say it appears you are being very responsible too.
I have a daughter - 2 in June - and she is already interested (much to her mother's disbelief - she thought she would turn more to "girls" things!) I know what you mean about CBBC or Cbeebies - I have had my fair dose of the Fimbles and Tikkabilla ;D So I didn't wait too many months of her life to start taking her to our local NR station to watch trains. She loves them, and her vocabulary may be limited, but she has the words "Choo choo" off to a tee!
Provided you continue to be responsible and follow any local rules or guidance from signs or staff, and obviosuly have a valid ticket if on a station, I can't see anyone seeing a problem. Judging by what you've said, it seems you are being pretty responsible already.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2005 0:54:11 GMT
One of my earliest memories of being a lad was my dad taking me down to my uncle's house. He lived right next to the East Coast Main Line near Newcastle, and I used to stand with my dad and wave at the drivers as they passed. Occassionally, I'd get a toot and a wave back, which made my day! (Obviously this was before HSTs ruled the ECML - The Deltics were still running! Real trains!)
I don't think you're doing anything wrong, and I certainly can't imagine any LU staff minding what you do with your sons! In fact, quite the opposite! I always wave at the youngsters who wave at me! You're teaching your kids to respect the railway and that's very important!
Maybe in a few years (I know they're only 3 at the mo!) they'll be logging on to this forum and turn out to be as enthusiastic about LUL as most of us here are!
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Post by Admin Team on Apr 1, 2005 7:44:15 GMT
Personally, my earliest memories of watching trains was when I was less than three when the family lived in Hanwell.
My grandad used to take me down to (IIRC) Elthorne Park (known locally as the 'Bunny Park') and we used to watch the trains crossing the Warnecliffe Viaduct.
Now shows age... ex GWR Kings and Castles, 28xx (I suppose!) hauling freight, Panniers.
More latterly, when my lad was a 'toddler' we too used to go to West Ruislip (very close to where we live) to watch the trains - particularly in time for the 'dump train' ex South Ruislip waste depot, which was then routinely hauled by double headed Cl37's, 56's and the occasional 60.
Their were still quite regular steam specials along there too - sadly much rarer now, but they do still appear from time to time.
This was a bit over ten years ago now. But he's still an interest in trains, being a volunteer member at Didcot where he's spent a couple of summer weeks, though this has now become overshadowed with the Air Cadets!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2005 12:49:48 GMT
My Dad used to take me to watch trains on the ECML at Offord (Huntingdonshire) when the Deltics ruled, we then moved to York so there was no hope! I can't work out where the interest in Underground comes from, but it has been there since I was about 10! Got worse when I left school, had money and moved close to London! When my Son and Daughter are old enough (only 10months at mo), I will take them to watch the trains on the WCML near our house (sigh from my wife ). Shame about the lack of thrash though! ;D
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Post by chris on Apr 1, 2005 13:13:43 GMT
Poole (where I live) is definantly the best place to watch trains from an early age. Why? Because the town park (with the slides, swings, duck ponds, lake with model boats, miniture railway ;D ) is right next to the main line to London. Whats more Upton Park, (another family place) is situated right next to the line. Poole Quay is where the branchline used by Class 66's freight service to Holy Head starts and the main shopping centre is divided by a level crossing. Every now and then Poole holds host to various steam and desiel excursions to Weymouth, Swanage railway is a preserved steam railway running through the countryside to the coast and go to Bournemouth, you can witness the Virgin Express services to Edinburgh and various other places.
So although not London with its national and international rail terminals and yes, we don't have a metro system I think it's OK.
And just a bit if added something, my first memories of the Underground, (aged about 4 or 5) were of being very scared. Mainly I always thought the doors would close before I had a chance to get off. Or being seperated from family. Or those ticket gate things not working. Or being pushed in fromt of a train. I never realised it was such an intimidating place!
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Post by citysig on Apr 1, 2005 17:40:03 GMT
And just a bit if added something, my first memories of the Underground, (aged about 4 or 5) were of being very scared. Mainly I always thought the doors would close before I had a chance to get off. Or being seperated from family. Or those ticket gate things not working. Or being pushed in fromt of a train. I never realised it was such an intimidating place! That is exactly how I felt, infact probably right up to my teenage years if I remember correctly. It's surprising I chose my career on something that worried me so ;D
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Post by Tom on Apr 1, 2005 18:26:28 GMT
Strange how so many of us used to or still go to West Ruislip. In our family photo albums there are pictures of me in a pushchair at West Ruislip, 19 years ago!
Don't start me on CBBC - the Fimbles at 0600 Saturday and extreme tiredness are the closest I've ever been to tripping on LSD.
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Post by Tom on Apr 1, 2005 18:27:43 GMT
Personally, my earliest memories of watching trains was when I was less than three when the family lived in Hanwell. My grandad used to take me down to (IIRC) Elthorne Park (known locally as the 'Bunny Park') and we used to watch the trains crossing the Warnecliffe Viaduct. [pedantic] Brent Lodge Park, Elthorne Park is the other side of Uxbridge Road down towards Boston Manor. [/pedantic]
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Post by Dmitri on Apr 1, 2005 18:53:34 GMT
It's surprising I chose my career on something that worried me so ;D Was it a revenge ;D?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2005 19:14:16 GMT
I used to get scared by the tube as well, mainly by those old style 'yellow tickets' barriers. Oh, and wooden escalators on the Piccadilly Line.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2005 19:30:01 GMT
Strange how so many of us used to or still go to West Ruislip. In our family photo albums there are pictures of me in a pushchair at West Ruislip, 19 years ago! Man, you started photoing pretty early ;D
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Post by igelkotten on Apr 1, 2005 22:39:54 GMT
For me, my interest in railways began as a child, with the long train journeys to our summer house in the south of sweden, to my grandparents in germany and my godfather in france.
Standing on a platform, or in a vestibule, and reading the destination boards in the door windows really set my imagination on fire.
"Stockholm-Malmö-Trelleborg-Sassnitz-Berlin-Frankfurt an der Oder-Kunowice-Poznan-Warszawa-Terespol-Brest-Minsk-Moskwa"
reading, and realizing that this very carriage was going all the way to Moscow, that these steel rails formed a continous link all around the world, to faraway places. And where was Terespol, anyway? What kind of people lived there? What did the place look like? Suddenly, the fabled land on the other side of the horizon was not so unreachable. The world was, literally, there to travel.
Another strong memory are the sights and sounds and smells from those journeys. The sort of swaying bumps that woke you up in the middle of the night, when the sleeping cars were shunted aboard a ferry. Catching glimpses of a neon-lit, wet asphalt platform somewhere whilst passing through a station. The huge, long, wide curve approaching Hamburg Hbf from the north, where you could see the whole of the train stretch out along the river and the harbour. And why did the hot cocoa smell so different in french restaurant cars when compared to german sleeping cars? My excitement at the age of seven or so when I discovered that french commuter trains had flap seats in the door vestibules, and me absolutely insisting on sitting there for a whole summer, much to my parents annoyance, since they were very uncomfortable for adults. And the long, deep rumbling that made the whole station jump when a train with loaded steel torpedos (special cars carrying molten steel between steelworks) passed by, pulled by a pair of diesel-hydraulics that sounded like they were going to lift off at any second.
So many memories!
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Post by chris on Apr 2, 2005 11:18:59 GMT
That is exactly how I felt, infact probably right up to my teenage years if I remember correctly. It's surprising I chose my career on something that worried me so ;D Well, I wasn't going to admit teenage years, but i will since i'm not alone! I've got over it now, though!
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Post by citysig on Apr 2, 2005 14:09:38 GMT
Never had a problem admitting I'm a railway enthusiast, and well into my teenage years I was a "trainspotter" A large chunk of the way I have got to where I am now is through having (and admitting) I have a deep interest in railways. A small price to pay for the salary I'm on There are far worse things to admit to in this world, but social attitudes dare not admit to it. Some of the most popular "hobbies" that people admit to tend to strike me as quite strange. I won't name any here, but it's not hard to think of any. Besides, despite some of the moaning the staff members on here do about the job, the fact we all post to forums such as this means there must be a reason we want to talk about railways. So I reckon I'm in good company ;D
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Post by chris on Apr 2, 2005 15:38:27 GMT
A large chunk of the way I have got to where I am now is through having (and admitting) I have a deep interest in railways. A small price to pay for the salary I'm on What do tube drivers get paid? (I don't mean to be personal/nosey etc, it's just something i've wondered. I know Weymouth - Waterloo drivers with SWT get £28,500 and I wondered how it compares)
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Post by setttt on Apr 2, 2005 17:02:56 GMT
I used to go down to the Bunny Park (mentioned by Dave) with my Dad as a toddler. The size of Warnecliffe viaduct used to amaze me - I didn't know such things could exist on my doorstep after seeing Ribblehead in a video! It's a shame they've covered Warnecliffe with overhead catenary - having Ealing Hospital (in my opinion one of the most hideous buildings in West London) in the background is bad enough! I don't recall ever having a fear of using the tube as a youngster - I thoroughly enjoyed it! (I must admit, being brought up in London makes all the difference). The only problem I used to have was getting bashed on the head by the doors on unrefurbished 73 stock whilst sticking my head out to check the starter! Of course today I still love trains - I've just come back from Newquay on one incidentally - and I am lucky enough to attend a school which lies next to the GWR Brentford Goods line (it gives me something to listen to when staying behind after school to do extra work and help my teachers )
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Post by chris on Apr 2, 2005 18:36:46 GMT
(it gives me something to listen to when staying behind after school to do extra work and help my teachers ) I believe it's called, detention! Anway, it's great to have another teen here - I thought I was the only one!
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Post by setttt on Apr 2, 2005 19:02:45 GMT
I thought I was the only one! It doesn't surprise me! I don't know anyone my age who knows a first thing about trains - my mates would be completely lost if they read some of the posts here, and that's an understatement!
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Post by chris on Apr 2, 2005 19:29:43 GMT
Well, my mates would be rolling around on the floor laughing. I made the mistake of letting them know how much I knew on a recent trip to London, when I classified a few tube stock, a few mainline stock and told them some in depth knowledge. They still take the mick! (In a friendly way, though)
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Post by citysig on Apr 3, 2005 12:26:13 GMT
What do tube drivers get paid? (I don't mean to be personal/nosey etc, it's just something i've wondered. I know Weymouth - Waterloo drivers with SWT get £28,500 and I wondered how it compares) Can't remember what huge sums our drivers get paid now (I'm not one by the way). Us in the signalling grades get paid "comfortably" but then it is jolly hard work. Put it this way, we get enough to afford "decent" tea to drink whilst at work ;D With the staff members on this forum alone, I'd say they're getting their money's worth! Both grades get more than the drivers you mention, but do they have "rostered overtime" to boost their actual salary? I'm not being awkward or avoiding the issue, it's just I really can't remember all of the individual figures.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2005 13:23:07 GMT
I can't remember exactly what we get per year either. It is indeed more than the SWT figure you quoted, but not by a huge amount. I'll try and find out what the actual figure is for you.
Many mainline drivers still earn more than us though due (as Citysig mentioned) to them being able to work rest days. We don't do rest day working on LUL.
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Post by Dmitri on Apr 4, 2005 8:24:13 GMT
What do tube drivers get paid? (I don't mean to be personal/nosey etc, it's just something i've wondered. I know Weymouth - Waterloo drivers with SWT get £28,500 and I wondered how it compares) I've seen figures about £30,000 floating around. BTW, am I correct on assumption that those figures are "per year, before taxation"?
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Post by citysig on Apr 4, 2005 8:27:58 GMT
Oh yes. Whatever huge sums the media quote, it's normally inflated by at least 10% and always before Mr Taxman has had his cut.
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Post by chris on Apr 4, 2005 9:08:55 GMT
Oh yes. Whatever huge sums the media quote, it's normally inflated by at least 10% and always before Mr Taxman has had his cut. However, at least some of the taxes go into public transport which, theoretically, would improve your working conditions on the underground.
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Post by Admin Team on Apr 9, 2005 21:24:48 GMT
I've seen figures about £30,000 floating around. BTW, am I correct on assumption that those figures are "per year, before taxation"? I've finally remembered to have a look at my last pay slip, and with the agreed increase from 1st April I see that (as an Instructor) I'll be on about £36k. T/Op is less than this by about 2.5% IIRC. This isn't boasting - the figures are available in the public domain I believe.
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