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Post by jimbo on Aug 12, 2022 20:26:03 GMT
Wow, that gives nine roads alongside each other, the Picc and District running roads, Richmond branch roads and three sidings! Surprised that they can fit three sidings on the site where only one line was lifted, the eastbound coal train climbing road. Is there any subsequent equipment to be first moved from that site: signalling, power, etc? Will the sidings terminate west of the Bridge Street footbridge link to Hardwicke Street? It is a remote area. Will there be a staff platform on the westbound Richmond branch for pick up/drop off of drivers, to avoid a long walk for a station?
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Post by Tom on Aug 12, 2022 21:59:59 GMT
I think the only way you could fit three roads in would be to significantly alter the earthworks in the area; I’ve not seen much for the project so I don’t know what is being planned.
At the moment I think any detailed designs have been produced, and some disciplines are still only at the concept stage.
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Post by jimbo on Aug 13, 2022 0:56:35 GMT
Perhaps Chiswick Park sidings could be completed first, as they do not await Thales resignalling as Parsons Green does.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 13, 2022 3:18:59 GMT
As the new facing crossover on the eastbound Richmond line is west of the NR/LU boundary, this could result in a change as the points would not be in LUL area of control and maintenance. GB1 to be under LU control. New signalling for points under LU control. Will the sidings terminate west of the Bridge Street footbridge link to Hardwicke Street? It is a remote area. Will there be a staff platform on the westbound Richmond branch for pick up/drop off of drivers, to avoid a long walk for a station? Existing footbridge to be replaced. The new sidings will require a retaining structure alongside the Westbound Local along with the replacement of existing footbridge D192/D72C. Accommodation and lineside buildings/facilities are also required at this new site. Staff access to be beside the new footbridge. |
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Post by rdm on Aug 13, 2022 13:57:18 GMT
Don't forget that prior to there being the former Up Goods line (on the alignment of the even earlier Up L&SWR line) there was a Down L&SWR line where the WB Richmond line now runs. The last named line was originally one line further to the right (as viewed from the bridge). This line joined the aforementioned Down L&SWR line just prior to the Acton Lane road bridge.
There are full details of the history of this area in the late MAC Horne's history of the Met. District Railway (part 2).
I imagine the falling gradient between Turnham Green and Gunnersbury may be a problem with the stabled trains, with a risk of runaways unless wheels are 'scotched'.
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Post by rdm on Aug 13, 2022 15:37:43 GMT
With reference to the diagrams up thread, are these available on-line at all please?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 13, 2022 15:51:00 GMT
I imagine the falling gradient between Turnham Green and Gunnersbury may be a problem with the stabled trains, with a risk of runaways unless wheels are 'scotched'. Shouldn’t be a problem with current LU Stock all fitted with spring-applied parking brakes. 27Rd Parsons Green is on a distinct gradient. |
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Post by Tom on Aug 13, 2022 19:45:02 GMT
With reference to the diagrams up thread, are these available on-line at all please? They're not, as far as I'm aware. Sorry. |
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Post by jimbo on Aug 14, 2022 3:04:16 GMT
I imagine the falling gradient between Turnham Green and Gunnersbury may be a problem with the stabled trains, with a risk of runaways unless wheels are 'scotched'. Shouldn’t be a problem with current LU Stock all fitted with spring-applied parking brakes. 27Rd Parsons Green is on a distinct gradient. I took this post to mean that the new level double-length sidings will adjoin the falling running line. |
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Post by d7666 on Aug 14, 2022 14:55:49 GMT
by an external consultancy, who aren’t aware of London Underground’s practices - a bit of a recurring theme at the moment on many projects! Really ? I am shocked ?   |
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Post by jimbo on Aug 28, 2022 4:22:42 GMT
What is the future for the West Kensington connection? Current UNews says access realigned. With depot site sold, will it provide a stabling site for an engineers' train as Olympia end will? Could it hide a defective S7 then or now?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 28, 2022 7:52:33 GMT
What is the future for the West Kensington connection? Current UNews says access realigned. With depot site sold, will it provide a stabling site for an engineers' train as Olympia end will? Could it hide a defective S7 then or now? Will be retained as a reversing facility for passenger Stock |
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Post by roythebus on Aug 29, 2022 21:34:59 GMT
At PG LT own the land alongside the north side of the railway. It used to be occupied by the works and Buildings Department and was a haven for bus spotters wanting to "cop" the service vehicle fleet based there. On the south side the railway boundary is quite wide. Refer back to the early plans for 4-tracking from Fulham Broadway for proposed extension.
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Post by jimbo on Sept 13, 2022 5:19:34 GMT
It is over a year since we learnt of the planned closure of Lillie Bridge Depot from 2024. link page 59. Costs of alternative stabling were to be paid from the proceeds of sale of the Depot, so shouldn't be affected by current financial troubles. There has been no mention of dates for resignalling to the west of the District Line, but SMA14 to Uxbridge is not now due until July 2024, leaving little time for Parsons Green stabling to be expanded and resignalled before Lillie Bridge is planned to close. Any news? Thanks DWS , you beat me asking about Chiswick Park plans! The Programmes and Investment Committee on 20 July 2022 learnt that the final resignalling has slipped into 2025. But I now understand that completion of limited resignalling to the west of the District Line is to progress independent of that, planned for spring 2024. So presumably, that will be linked with new sidings at Parsons Green. The Chiswick Park sidings will remain outside current planned resignalling areas, and therefore can be progressed independently. |
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Post by jimbo on Nov 6, 2022 19:46:01 GMT
Don't forget that prior to there being the former Up Goods line (on the alignment of the even earlier Up L&SWR line) there was a Down L&SWR line where the WB Richmond line now runs. The last named line was originally one line further to the right (as viewed from the bridge). This line joined the aforementioned Down L&SWR line just prior to the Acton Lane road bridge. There are full details of the history of this area in the late MAC Horne's history of the Met. District Railway (part 2). ..... For those with no access to the book, can someone provide a photo of the pages concerned? |
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Post by piccboy on Nov 6, 2022 23:56:15 GMT
Don't forget that prior to there being the former Up Goods line (on the alignment of the even earlier Up L&SWR line) there was a Down L&SWR line where the WB Richmond line now runs. The last named line was originally one line further to the right (as viewed from the bridge). This line joined the aforementioned Down L&SWR line just prior to the Acton Lane road bridge. There are full details of the history of this area in the late MAC Horne's history of the Met. District Railway (part 2). ..... For those with no access to the book, can someone provide a photo of the pages concerned? The book would probably be covered by copyright, but this link is to a public domain map of the area showing the lines mentioned. |
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Post by d7666 on Nov 7, 2022 0:11:24 GMT
link is to a public domain map of the area showing the lines mentioned. [/a][/quote] These old maps are a perpetual distraction to me. Digressing from the subject, exploring that map further, I had not appreciated the Hammersmith & Chiswick line stopped that far north of the Thames; for some reason I thought it was much closer, like it exited on to the road along the embankment. Every day a learning day. |
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Post by joshua on Feb 4, 2023 1:25:16 GMT
Why are they getting rid of all of the sidings at Lille Bridge depot, when could they not build a raft on top of the depot so that some of the lines can still be used to stable train's?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 4, 2023 7:17:10 GMT
Why are they getting rid of all of the sidings at Lille Bridge depot, when could they not build a raft on top of the depot so that some of the lines can still be used to stable train's? I guess the preferred option for LU was a White City/Westfield approach but seems the developer ruled that out. |
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Post by joshua on Feb 4, 2023 11:03:27 GMT
Why are they getting rid of all of the sidings at Lille Bridge depot, when could they not build a raft on top of the depot so that some of the lines can still be used to stable train's? I guess the preferred option for LU was a White City/Westfield approach but seems the developer ruled that out. So would this make the Kensington Olympia Branch useless with the closure of Lille Bridge depot? Which would the developer rule it out? |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 4, 2023 12:08:09 GMT
So would this make the Kensington Olympia Branch useless with the closure of Lille Bridge depot? Which would the developer rule it out? There will still be a maintenance siding, with concrete landing area for unloading of rail vehicle materials onto road vehicles. At present there is no suggestion of weekend passenger services being withdrawn. |
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Post by jimbo on Feb 5, 2023 3:46:09 GMT
Late evening trips mainly take people back to homes in the suburbs, then return near empty to stable at Lillie Bridge. Morning trips are near empty out to the suburbs to bring people into the centre for work. So it makes sense to reduce empty running by stabling in suburban areas, where land is also less valuable. Probably for similar reasons, over a century back, the District Railway moved from Lillie Bridge to Ealing with its western extensions, then the Piccadilly moved from there to Northfields and Cockfosters with its extensions, and finally the engineering works transferred to Ruislip for more space. The District moved back into Lillie Bridge in 2014 to stable its planned larger S stock fleet in a depot conveniently available. I presume TfL received an offer for the land too good to refuse. Building over rail tracks means piles must be sited to avoid tracks. Empty land is open to flexible development, and therefore more valuable. Development over South Kensington station has been talked of most of my life but, so far, no takers!
This project contrasts with plans to stable at Farringdon City Sidings for the Circle & Hammersmith lines. This is currently at a standstill, since it will cope with the planned frequency upgrade in the central area which cannot be justified until pre-Covid demand returns with a continuing pattern of passenger growth. I believe all central area stabling is already used, so additional trains for the Circle & Hammersmith services could only come from Upminster, Ealing and Neasden depots with extensive unnecessary running unless the Farringdon sidings are constructed in the former City Widened Lines tunnels. These must have a low property development value.
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Post by DWS on Feb 5, 2023 8:59:08 GMT
The City Sidings plan was indeed reuse of the former City Widened Lines tunnels between Farringdon and Moorgate, the only part of the scheme in place is the junction east of Farringdon from the Circle line.
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Post by flippyff on Mar 23, 2023 21:31:44 GMT
(Asking here as I'm guessing it might be related to this)
Has there been a rail replacement bus service covering Olympia(?) > Earl's Court running since last Friday? There's been a DL11 service running using 4-5 Abellio vehicles per day between approx. 8am and 7pm.
Thanks in advance
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 24, 2023 4:31:10 GMT
It isn’t related to the Lillie Bridge closure, Olympia shuttles don’t operate on weekdays (except BH Mondays), the Ideal Home Show at Olympia is on:
A point problem at Earl’s Court prevented the shuttle trains running last weekend
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Post by jimbo on Jul 1, 2023 21:32:12 GMT
2024 is not far away now for LU to clear from the Lillie Bridge site. Any update on new siding construction? Is the Parsons Green layout to be installed ready to commission with the new signalling? When is that expected now? Or is Parsons Green layout to await new signalling before starting construction with later signalling modification? The Chiswick Park site is beyond the limit of the currently planned new signalling, so works are free of that constraint. South Harrow siding construction took some considerable time!
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Post by jimbo on Apr 16, 2024 20:50:08 GMT
Any news since the last post nine months back? Is there any sign of a start to the move out of Lillie Bridge? Or any move on replacement sidings? Whilst progress on resignalling the Met seems to have slowed, does this affect works at Parsons Green?
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Post by jimbo on Apr 22, 2024 22:54:19 GMT
It seems that resignalling is a prerequisite for commissioning of new stabling roads at Parsons Green (see latest post) so District Line vacating Lillie Bridge this year will be impossible. The planned Chiswick Park sidings will need to be incorporated into the existing signalling, as that area is now outside the CBTC plans, but that will only provide half of the planned replacement stabling. |
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Post by Chris M on Apr 23, 2024 1:57:05 GMT
Once the Piccadilly depot upgrades are completed, would any of the siding space at South Harrow be available for District line use, and if so would that be practical? I know there are (or at least were in D stock days) speed restrictions for surface stock on that branch but I believe at least some of those were due to lack of paperwork to prove clearance rather than physical limits - doing that paperwork would obviously be within the scope of a plan to stable S stock on those sidings and so not an impediment. That's not to say though that there aren't other things that are impediments.
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Post by jimbo on Apr 23, 2024 8:24:46 GMT
S stock is not allowed on that route at present. South Harrow sidings will be needed along with the new Picc depots to accommodate the full fleet of new trains for 36tph once new signalling is installed on the line. The current fleet order is only for 30tph, which will still need new signalling to achieve. District crews are not trained on the route, but could perhaps have a Picc line pilot if S stock was ever passed for that route. After thought, the new sidings have boarding platforms which might foul the surface stock gauge.
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