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Post by wanstead on May 29, 2021 13:18:29 GMT
With the B90 and B92 stock now into their last few years of service, I was wondering if there are any plans to preserve a unit or two? Obviously any such preservation would be for purely static display, given it's probably more likely the Fleet Line would be built than TFL keeping an obsolete three-car set for DLR railtours on the system!
I could imagine the London Transport Museum taking one unit as a representation of the most ubiquitous class of DLR units, and maybe the Museum of London Docklands taking part of a carriage for an interactive display, but other than that I don't think any others would escape the cutter's torch.
As an aside, do any of the P86/P89s survive? I know Wikipedia states they're still in service around Essen, but I swear that part of the page hasn't been edited in over a decade. I could perhaps see someone trying to secure P11 given its historical status, but then again they've all been so heavily rebuilt it probably makes any restoration programme prohibitively expensive.
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Post by taylor on May 29, 2021 14:53:07 GMT
Without access to my German files (since Covid-19) I’m pretty sure that units of both the P86 and P89 series are in still in operation in Essen on the U11. When EVAG bought them (they were nearly new, but not authorised to run in the Bank tunnel), driving cabs and pantographs were installed. One or two cars have been withdrawn due to accidents. More (in German) below. Incidentally both internally and affectionately they are/were referred to as ‘Dockland(s)’ and ran in the original blue/red DLR livery for quite a while. If you really want to know, I can check with friends locally. web.archive.org/web/20131105012112/http://bahn-deutschland.de.tl/Docklands.htm |
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Post by Tom on May 29, 2021 21:11:21 GMT
I last visited Essen in 2018 and both P86 and P89 cars were in operation then, though with sliding doors replacing the original 'bat-wing' ones.  |
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Post by spsmiler on May 30, 2021 23:21:46 GMT
Its my understanding that whilst they are indeed running in Essen (even as 'ye olde traditional' street trams, for part of route U17) No.11, which was first used in Manchester and later carried HM The Queen as part of the official opening ceremony, has been scrapped. I am not sure why, it might be related to damage after a fire but I am not 100% sure.
As with the London B90 and B92's, the P86 / P89 units are scheduled for replacement. I do not know whether Essen intends to preserve any of them.
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Post by d7666 on Jun 7, 2021 15:39:59 GMT
Still in Essen squadron service: www.tram-info.de/wagenp/essen.phpscroll about 40% down page list states updated to 31\05\21 I suppose I'm drifting even further off topic now ........ |
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Post by joshua on Apr 11, 2022 12:34:02 GMT
What about if they had batteries fitted and where run on heritage railways like the Epping and Ongar Railway?
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Post by moquette on Apr 11, 2022 19:38:14 GMT
There have been, I understand, some preliminary discussions about the possibility of preserving one of the Essen units as they're due for replacement I understand in 2023 onwards. However, as can be understood, such a proposition is fraught with some serious considerations.
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Post by Chris L on Apr 11, 2022 21:05:55 GMT
There have been, I understand, some preliminary discussions about the possibility of preserving one of the Essen units as they're due for replacement I understand in 2023 onwards. However, as can be understood, such a proposition is fraught with some serious considerations. TfL are obliged to preserve vehicles of historical importance to London. They do not have to be displayed. |
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Post by moquette on Apr 12, 2022 16:39:06 GMT
There have been, I understand, some preliminary discussions about the possibility of preserving one of the Essen units as they're due for replacement I understand in 2023 onwards. However, as can be understood, such a proposition is fraught with some serious considerations. TfL are obliged to preserve vehicles of historical importance to London. They do not have to be displayed. I'm not going to wander off thread here - but it isn't that simple. The legislation that governs the requirement (1968 Transport Act/1999 GLA Act) makes certain requirements/provisions for TfL to consider historic "records & relics" and sets out a form of retention/disposals process. The LTM, in some cases, discharges some of those requirements for TfL through its Collections Policy & acquisitions process that includes a Collections Development Group who advise the Museum Board. None of the Acts require display nor the operation of a Museum - that is TfL's choice via its subsidiary companies, the Museum as a charitable trust being one such subsidiary. |
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