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Post by 1018509 on Sept 23, 2020 8:03:12 GMT
As a child I remember the huge step down from the platform into the Piccadilly line train at Rayners Lane. I also remember that some of the doors on the standard stock trains had double doors but there was a pillar between them effectively making them two single doors. I don't recall all of them having this type of double door so my question is which had this arrangement and which didn't?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 23, 2020 9:45:08 GMT
Information from Brian Hardy's "Underground Train File". During its twelve year production run from 1922 to 1934 the so-called "standard" stock design underwent many changes. Although cars could be swapped between lines, the Piccadilly's fleet was largely made up of two batches, the first being built in 1927/28 to replace Gate stock, the later being from 1931 to expand the fleet ready for the extensions to Cockfosters, Hounslow and Uxbridge. The two types were of course both used throughout the line.
The 1928 motor cars were the first "Standard" Stock motor cars to not have the central pillars, but the trailers stillnever had them. The 1931 fleet had no central pillars, and also were the first to have end doors in the trailers. The vehicles which went to the Isle of Wight included examples of both types.
Edited to correct a misreading of Hardy's book
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Post by brigham on Sept 23, 2020 10:02:46 GMT
I thought centre door pillars were a Hurst Nelson speciality. Did other builders also use them?
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Post by jimbo on Sept 23, 2020 11:53:19 GMT
They were effectively two single doors, without stand-back areas. People stood either side of the open doors against the glass screens, and then another would attempt to hide behind the central pillar! It was just possible for a single file to pass through either single doorway.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 23, 2020 11:58:15 GMT
I thought centre door pillars were a Hurst Nelson speciality. Did other builders also use them? The "Hurst Nelson" stock was for the District Line, specifically its C stock of 1910. Standard stock was built by a variety of manufacturers, although Hurst Nelson was not among them - the Picadilly Standard stock fleet was mainly Metropolitan carriage & Wagon (later Metro Cammell after the merger with Cammell Laird) with some Birmingham and Gloucester RCW trailers and the "experimental" train of 1930 built by UCC (Feltham).
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Post by metman on Sept 23, 2020 15:34:58 GMT
It was only the Driving motor cars from 1923-28 which had the centre door pillar which it was believed to provide essential structural support to the car body due to the large weight from the equipment compartment. As said the last 20 cars of the UCC 1928 batch was provided without a centre door pillar and it was omitted from the subsequent 1929 stocks and beyond.
The trailers and control trailers never had centre door pillars but the previous 1920 stock built by Cammel Laird did. These were moved to the Bakerloo in the 1930s as they were unsuitable for outdoor working and five cars were converted to a mobile instruction train after the war.
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Post by brigham on Sept 23, 2020 16:02:50 GMT
Which were the ones that curved inwards from the waist rail? I'm sure they had divided doorways.
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Post by countryman on Sept 23, 2020 16:23:29 GMT
Which were the ones that curved inwards from the waist rail? I'm sure they had divided doorways. The 1920 Cammell Laird stock as mentioned above. Pictures at the bottom of the linked article. www.lurs.org.uk/UN85X%20JAN(2)%201969.pdf
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 23, 2020 17:17:07 GMT
It was only the Driving motor cars from 1923-28 which had the centre door pillar The trailers and control trailers never had centre door pillars . My mistake - I misunderstood the reference in Hardy's book. Of the 19 motor cars that went to the Isle of Wight (numbered 1-15, 19-25 (odd) and 2-10, 20, 22 (even), Nos 19 (3045) 20 (3308) 21 (3041) 22 (3010) 23 (3315) and 25 (3313) were pre-1928 versions that had the door pillars. On the IoW each 4-car unit was originally formed with one of these and one later one. The three car sets all had the later version.
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 24, 2020 17:17:13 GMT
At least one of the cars with door pillars has been preserved - I've been in it at the London Transport Museum Acton Depot.
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