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Post by starlight73 on Apr 5, 2024 20:57:39 GMT
it seems likely that a temporary closure of the station for a few months would be needed. I wonder what would happen to trains that would normally terminate at North Acton then? Yes, that’s probably needed at some point. A temporary entrance, and/or non-stopping the staton can be used as well for some time. If North Acton was closed, maybe trains would terminate at White City, which may be easier for timetabling. A look at the Carto Metro map shows trains can reverse at Northolt or Ruislip Gardens as well. To avoid going off topic - the folks on the Central line board would know more about reversing points. (I don’t know if there are still North Acton terminators in the current emergency timetable even, as it’s not on TfL’s website) |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Apr 5, 2024 21:21:57 GMT
T480 the CLIP train is RR Runs as Required Ruislip Gardens-North Acton, midday off-peak and evenings, in this timetable.
Although the train has actually been running through to Hainault since publication.
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Post by jimbo on Apr 5, 2024 21:40:28 GMT
TTN99-24 is attached to FOI-4624-2324 published: 03 April 2024 here Previous FoI replies have said only regular working timetables are shown on the website. But seems that TTNs are available if you ask! |
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Post by melikepie on Apr 21, 2024 8:44:59 GMT
This is a development for the wrong reasons. In RAIL 1007, it says TfL say they are unable to give Kilburn Park step-free access as there is no room in the confined space. Tge station is also Grade II listed.
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Post by imran on Apr 21, 2024 9:29:58 GMT
Well judging from the layout of the station, it’s pretty obvious that step-free access isn’t possible.
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Post by starlight73 on Apr 21, 2024 20:16:11 GMT
RE Kilburn Park station: Given that a new lift shaft would need to be sunk, it would probably be easier to add step-free access via a new, separate building. The cost of this is probably still too great for a station of this size. Hypothetically: adding step-free access at Queens Park or Kilburn High Road would be cheaper and close by. These stations are in cuttings, not deep tube tunnels. Queens Park station appears to be the responsibility of Network Rail and the DfT. Network Rail planned to make it step-free but that's been cancelled or postponed |
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Post by imran on Apr 24, 2024 8:17:00 GMT
I didn’t even know that step-free access was planned for Queen’s Park!
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Post by starlight73 on Apr 24, 2024 12:44:22 GMT
Me neither! According to Wikipedia, Queens Park station is owned by Network Rail. That would explain why it wasn’t mentioned in TfL’s plans for the last few years, as Network Rail/the DfT were going to be funding station works. Info from Mayor’s Question Time: the DfT have asked Network Rail and TfL to plan redevelopment of Queens Park station, instead of just a step-free upgrade. Whether this happens is probably dependent on Network Rail funding. (Off topic, but hopefully this won’t lose the disused mainline platforms which still have signage from decades ago!) |
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Post by Chris M on Apr 24, 2024 13:27:42 GMT
Regarding your off topic, one possibility is that they are included in the initial plans but then descoped as "value engineering" without impacting the actually intended scope.
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Post by Chris L on Apr 24, 2024 15:21:55 GMT
Me neither! According to Wikipedia, Queens Park station is owned by Network Rail. That would explain why it wasn’t mentioned in TfL’s plans for the last few years, as Network Rail/the DfT were going to be funding station works. Info from Mayor’s Question Time: the DfT have asked Network Rail and TfL to plan redevelopment of Queens Park station, instead of just a step-free upgrade. Whether this happens is probably dependent on Network Rail funding. (Off topic, but hopefully this won’t lose the disused mainline platforms which still have signage from decades ago!) It's a bit complicated as some late night trains stop there on the local lines. Very expensive to provide lifts for these platforms. |
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Post by imran on Apr 27, 2024 11:48:38 GMT
I think it’ll be great to see North Acton become step-free. The central line has a huge step-free gap between Bond Street and Ealing Broadway/Greenford. Plus it’s also where the Central line splits and some trains terminate Sad to see the original station building go (looks like an original GWR building?) but that is necessary sometimes. Incidentally, I note that North Acton seems to be replacing Hanger Lane in terms of step-free work. Hanger Lane & Park Royal were originally on the step-free upgrades list here. As of 2020, jimbo wrote they will now only be progressed with 3rd party funding. The benefits of upgrading those two would be: 1. Providing a step-free interchange between Central and Piccadilly lines (but via a long, very busy road - not nice!) 2. Serving an area without step-free stations between Ealing Broadway and Sudbury Town However, Ian’s article above implies there is overcrowding at North Acton, a big safety issue that will only get worse with time. So it makes sense that it needs an upgrade I still think it’s possible for Hanger Lane and Park Royal to be become step-free. Just might have to wait a while until funding is available. |
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Post by xtmw on Apr 27, 2024 12:09:04 GMT
That is what is implied.
It might happen but TfL won't fund it
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Post by londoner on May 1, 2024 20:41:16 GMT
It's a bit complicated as some late night trains stop there on the local lines. Very expensive to provide lifts for these platforms. I think there are no longer any scheduled services. |
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Post by starlight73 on May 1, 2024 21:19:03 GMT
I had a look on RealTimeTrains and also couldn’t see scheduled services on these platforms. But it makes sense if there were services recently, otherwise I’d imagine the signs would’ve been dismantled. (I’d just assumed that platforms 5 and 6 at Queens Park were totally disused! And agree with Chris L that it wouldn’t make sense to provide step-free access to a barely-used? platform: many fully-used stations aren’t step-free, cough-Holborn cough-Euston  ) |
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Post by imran on May 2, 2024 17:58:07 GMT
I know for a fact that TFL wants to make Holborn step-free as part of the station upgrade. But that won’t happen without funding.
Don’t know how they can make Euston step-free to be honest!
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Post by Chris L on May 2, 2024 18:44:11 GMT
I know for a fact that TFL wants to make Holborn step-free as part of the station upgrade. But that won’t happen without funding. Don’t know how they can make Euston step-free to be honest! At Euston it might be possible to intersect with the old lift shafts and create new routes. The other long term scheme is Crossrail 2. |
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Post by imran on May 3, 2024 11:41:29 GMT
Euston had old lift shafts as well? I didn’t know that!
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 3, 2024 12:35:32 GMT
Two shafts, containing 4 lifts from Northern Line hall level but only reaching an intermediate level above the platforms, with stairs down.
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Post by starlight73 on May 3, 2024 14:04:19 GMT
the new [Piccadilly] trains will allow 27tph with current signalling, and new signalling could cope with 36tph, but the current Holborn station will limit throughput to only 29tph. So the cost of new signalling can only be justified with a reconstructed Holborn station. Reconstructing Holborn is necessary for the Piccadilly line signalling upgrade, so hopefully this will be done, with step-free access, at some point! (Discussed in the quoted thread) The station has narrow, winding corridors and (relatively) lots of stairs. Some of these snake around two disused platforms, while the central line platforms were squeezed in later! I have mobility problems and avoid this station at all costs having nearly fainted here when trying to change trains! (Must be the British Museum mummy  ) Incidentally, many stations on the early deep tube lines (Bakerloo, Central, Northern, Piccadilly) have/had a lift from street-level to a landing just above the platform, and then a bridge over the tracks and steps to the platform. The lift shafts were sometimes replaced by escalators. The cost of building a second lift between the landing and platform is significant, but is being done at Knightsbridge. |
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Post by imran on May 8, 2024 20:36:03 GMT
For Ladbroke Gro, it looks like there are disused spaces across the street both sides of the railway. Maybe build walkways alongside the railway bridge and step-free lifts on the other side of the street or is that too impractical? Interesting. What about the other stations mentioned in the report? How do you think they could have got step-free access? |
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Post by imran on May 13, 2024 14:58:39 GMT
Assuming the design of step-free access is similar to that which was originally planned (illustrated in Ianvisits' article) then this will help congestion on the stairs slightly as some people (especially some of those who are likely to be slower) will take the left instead of stairs increasing their capacity a bit. Adding a second set of stairs to the new footbridge would help even more, but I'm struggling to see how this could be done easily/cheaply. I am not familiar enough with the station to know where the bottleneck is, but I'd be surprised if the scope of the works was greater than rearranging the layout of the ticket hall interior (e.g. number and position of gates). I can't see any obvious way to increase the capacity of the pavement outside without significant changes to the road, which will definitely not be part of this project - especially as this isn't a TfL road so the project would need (at minimum) significant involvement from Ealing council. I do hope they can keep Northolt Station open during these works. Because from seeing the work that needs to be done, I’m a bit unsure if it can be done safely whilst it remains open. |
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Post by gefw on May 13, 2024 17:03:36 GMT
I do hope they can keep Northolt Station open during these works. Because from seeing the work that needs to be done, I’m a bit unsure if it can be done safely whilst it remains open. They did previously start works at Northolt and yes (like Harrow & Hanger Lane) hoarding off the Platforms work area did cause a significant reduction in platform width. It did seem to me that the platform width taken by the hoarding was more that necessary, perhaps this time they may consider adjustable/concertina hoardings. I believe the safety risk was considered acceptable (the platform was marked with yellow hatched "no waiting" and there was mention of staffing on plat at busy ![]() times). |
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Post by starlight73 on May 13, 2024 22:02:03 GMT
Does anyone know if any step-free works were carried out at Hanger Lane station?
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Post by gefw on May 14, 2024 8:23:01 GMT
Does anyone know if any step-free works were carried out at Hanger Lane station? Hanger Lane was on the list of 12 stations to have specific projects to provide SFA pre COVID. A contract was placed for detailed design & installation & the site work commenced. COVID then caused suspension. As part of the Tfl financial shortage/cutbacks, it was decided best to terminate the contract/works at Hanger Lane. The platform area was made good & hoarding removed. (A similar situation occurred at Northolt where the works were slightly more advanced (work undertaken to divert existing services in the platform roof)) |
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Post by imran on May 14, 2024 9:37:07 GMT
Any updates on Knightsbridge and Paddington (Bakerloo Line)? I haven’t heard anything about those two for a while.
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Post by Chris M on May 14, 2024 23:50:54 GMT
There was a closure of Paddington (Bakerloo) for fore alarm testing and integration not so long back, suggesting that work on the new ticket hall there must be pretty far advanced. I'm not sure though how dependent on the wider development opening of either the ticket hall generally and/or step-free access specifically is.
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Post by andypurk on May 15, 2024 2:38:59 GMT
There was a closure of Paddington (Bakerloo) for fore alarm testing and integration not so long back, suggesting that work on the new ticket hall there must be pretty far advanced. I'm not sure though how dependent on the wider development opening of either the ticket hall generally and/or step-free access specifically is. Paddington Bakerloo has had step-free access since the tunnel to the Elizabeth Line opened. However, it can a bit of a long route compared to the new Bakerloo entrance when that opens this summer. |
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Post by starlight73 on May 25, 2024 20:37:59 GMT
Any updates on Knightsbridge TfL’s website still gives “mid-2024” for Knightsbridge. The new ticket hall and lifts are built as far as I know, but other works are still ongoing. There’ll probably be a report published here after the next Programmes & Investment committee meeting on 26 June |
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Post by imran on May 25, 2024 20:42:46 GMT
Ok thanks! Let’s be on the lookout for any more potential updates!
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Post by starlight73 on May 26, 2024 16:52:39 GMT
Interesting. What about the other stations mentioned in the report? How do you think they could have got step-free access? I can’t track down the actual report (“unlocking London for all, 2002”). But for anyone who needs it: I did find this (scroll down), it has a map from that report with 2002’s planned step-free access (SFA). You asked up-thread about Liverpool Street. I think Central line SFA would be a big job as a new lift shaft would be needed. Possible if the station gets redeveloped (  ). Interestingly, the map linked above has proposals for SFA on the Morden branch of the Northern line - Stockwell, Balham and Tooting Broadway. However, TfL are now back to the drawing board with that. Given Zone 1 only had SFA to the Jubilee line extension back then, we’ve come a long way! |
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