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Post by twinrover1965 on Sept 15, 2020 16:58:11 GMT
I had requested information re these two additional sidings in the historical thread but from what I gather not many users look in that section so I have decided to ask in this part dealing with current issues. Could anybody tell me the reason for the two additional sidings at the side of Grange Hill station and how long they have existed? Was a special Traffic Circular issued detailing signalling arrangements, etc when these sidings were first introduced?
Does the through road in Hainault Depot still exist and are there any non passenger workings scheduled along it? It ran through the open air stabling area from one end of the depot to the other.
Many thanks.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 15, 2020 18:01:34 GMT
By the "through road" I imagine you mean the "Wash Road" that runs along the east side of the depot. This is the usual route for stabling trains from Hainault: from the platform, through the wash, into 70 or 71 Road (the two shunting roads behind Chigwell station known as "the North Neck"), change ends and stable in the depot.
Trains stabling from Grange Hill go into the Wash Road, stop short of the wash, change ends, up the North Neck, change ends and into the depot.
70 and 71 Roads aren't used as sidings as they are used for shunting trains out of the sheds onto the stabling roads and vice versa. Shortly after Night Tube started one of the part time drivers left a train up the north Neck, started to walk out and got a far as the shunters' cabin before they sent him back.
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Post by goldenarrow on Sept 15, 2020 18:26:59 GMT
OS Maps compiled between 1892-1914 shows a pair of sidings adjacent to Grange Hill station. Given that the station opened under a decade from the youngest map overlay, I would say that it was highly likely that they were in place from or very close to the opening of the line in 1903.
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Post by stapler on Sept 16, 2020 7:17:31 GMT
By the "through road" I imagine you mean the "Wash Road" that runs along the east side of the depot. This is the usual route for stabling trains from Hainault: from the platform, through the wash, into 70 or 71 Road (the two shunting roads behind Chigwell station known as "the North Neck"), change ends and stable in the depot. Trains stabling from Grange Hill go into the Wash Road, stop short of the wash, change ends, up the North Neck, change ends and into the depot. 70 and 71 Roads aren't used as sidings as they are used for shunting trains out of the sheds onto the stabling roads and vice versa. Shortly after Night Tube started one of the part time drivers left a train up the north Neck, started to walk out and got a far as the shunters' cabin before they sent him back. Chigwell station? I know until 1998 the depot was partly in Chigwell, but not near the station! |
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Post by stapler on Sept 16, 2020 7:31:04 GMT
OS Maps compiled between 1892-1914 shows a pair of sidings adjacent to Grange Hill station. Given that the station opened under a decade from the youngest map overlay, I would say that it was highly likely that they were in place from or very close to the opening of the line in 1903. The GE equipped most of the Loop stations with fairly rudimentary coal and minerals (building materials) sidings, the exception being Chigwell (in a deep cutting - though that did have the GE Nursery siding, just west of the tunnel). Barkingside, Hainault (marked of course as "disused" on the 1920 25" OS )and Fairlop had one apiece; Grange Hill and Newbury Pk had two |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 16, 2020 7:59:01 GMT
By the "through road" I imagine you mean the "Wash Road" that runs along the east side of the depot. This is the usual route for stabling trains from Hainault: from the platform, through the wash, into 70 or 71 Road (the two shunting roads behind Chigwell station known as "the North Neck"), change ends and stable in the depot. Trains stabling from Grange Hill go into the Wash Road, stop short of the wash, change ends, up the North Neck, change ends and into the depot. 70 and 71 Roads aren't used as sidings as they are used for shunting trains out of the sheds onto the stabling roads and vice versa. Shortly after Night Tube started one of the part time drivers left a train up the north Neck, started to walk out and got a far as the shunters' cabin before they sent him back. Chigwell station? I know until 1998 the depot was partly in Chigwell, but not near the station! Grange Hill obviously... |
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Post by towerman on Sept 18, 2020 13:47:30 GMT
I had requested information re these two additional sidings in the historical thread but from what I gather not many users look in that section so I have decided to ask in this part dealing with current issues. Could anybody tell me the reason for the two additional sidings at the side of Grange Hill station and how long they have existed? Was a special Traffic Circular issued detailing signalling arrangements, etc when these sidings were first introduced? Does the through road in Hainault Depot still exist and are there any non passenger workings scheduled along it? It ran through the open air stabling area from one end of the depot to the other. Many thanks. They're the north end shunting necks,have been there since the depot opened,may have been part of a goods yard in LNER days. |
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Post by Hutch on Sept 19, 2020 8:24:21 GMT
They're the north end shunting necks,have been there since the depot opened,may have been part of a goods yard in LNER days. Indeed. If you check this link at the NLS site and use the 'Change transparency of overlay' bar, you will see the 1914 goods yard overlaid on the present day image. |
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