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Post by dw54 on Jun 29, 2020 1:20:49 GMT
Can anyone here give the actual data for platform lengths at each of Rotherhithe, Wapping and Canada Water, northound and southbound, please.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 29, 2020 1:45:03 GMT
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Post by dw54 on Jun 29, 2020 10:25:10 GMT
Thanks, Chris šš
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Post by Chris L on Jun 29, 2020 11:38:54 GMT
They did some work at the south end of the northbound platform at Canada Water more recently than 2009. |
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Post by andypurk on Jun 29, 2020 23:02:20 GMT
The Network Rail Sectional Appendix for Anglia, has the following (with a last update date of 11/10/2014) Wapping Platform 1 87m Platform 2 80m Rotherhithe Platform 1 73m Platform 2 73m Canada Water Platform 4 91m Platform 3 90m These are operational lengths, so differ slightly. However, they do seem to show Canada Water as being lengthened. |
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 29, 2020 23:06:28 GMT
Yes, because on the last car one set of doors is now allowed to open whereas I feel sure that when 5 car trains began both sets of doors had to remain closed here.
edit to add: apologies, I should have made it clear that I was referring to the works at Canada Water which slightly extended the effective length of the platforms - as mentioned in the message immediately above this message.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 11:24:54 GMT
The actual platform lengths of platforms (as opposed to the 'berths' for current trains) prior to St. Mary's Curve being removed were:
Shoreditch - 370ft
Whitechapel - 468ft
Shadwell - 452ft
Wapping - 310ft
Rotherhithe - 290ft
Surrey Docks - 302ft
New Cross Gate - 547ft
New Cross - 442ft
With the approximate length of each sub-surface car pre-WW2 being 50ft, 6-car trains not only were possible but did operate until the through H&C service was withdrawn. They were all "do-able" for six-car trains although Rotherhithe and Surrey Docks are admittedly "tight".
Of course, the 'berths' for current trains are as above.
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Post by jimbo on Jun 30, 2020 19:12:35 GMT
The actual platform lengths of platforms (as opposed to the 'berths' for current trains) prior to St. Mary's Curve being removed were: Shoreditch - 370ft Whitechapel - 468ft Shadwell - 452ft Wapping - 310ft Rotherhithe - 290ft Surrey Docks - 302ft New Cross Gate - 547ft New Cross - 442ft With the approximate length of each sub-surface car pre-WW2 being 50ft, 6-car trains not only were possible but did operate until the through H&C service was withdrawn. They were all "do-able" for six-car trains although Rotherhithe and Surrey Docks are admittedly "tight". Of course, the 'berths' for current trains are as above. Even after the H&C through service was replaced by Barking service, 6-car football specials operated from time to time! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 15:50:47 GMT
And eight-car A Stock, too, for a short time. But these started and terminated at New Cross Gate and didn't stop at any other ELL stations.
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Post by dw54 on Jul 4, 2020 5:01:28 GMT
The Network Rail Sectional Appendix for Anglia, has the following (with a last update date of 11/10/2014) Wapping Platform 1 87m Platform 2 80m Rotherhithe Platform 1 73m Platform 2 73m Canada Water Platform 4 91m Platform 3 90m These are operational lengths, so differ slightly. However, they do seem to show Canada Water as being lengthened. |
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Post by dw54 on Jul 4, 2020 5:07:19 GMT
The Network Rail Sectional Appendix for Anglia, has the following (with a last update date of 11/10/2014) Wapping Platform 1 87m Platform 2 80m Rotherhithe Platform 1 73m Platform 2 73m Canada Water Platform 4 91m Platform 3 90m These are operational lengths, so differ slightly. However, they do seem to show Canada Water as being lengthened. Rotherhithe seems to have shrunk quite markedly. What may have caused this change in the data? |
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Post by goldenarrow on Jul 4, 2020 6:26:40 GMT
Rotherhithe seems to have shrunk quite markedly. What may have caused this change in the data? Probably the emergency egress route that was put in during the conversion from LU to LO which has rendered the southern end of the platforms unusable. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 10:26:39 GMT
Maybe that's why they decided not to put lifts there. Shame. Lack of surrounding platform space I guess.
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Post by Chris L on Jul 7, 2020 10:31:23 GMT
Maybe that's why they decided not to put lifts there. Shame. Lack of surrounding platform space I guess. Hardly necessary as Canada Water is very close. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 11:28:24 GMT
Maybe that's why they decided not to put lifts there. Shame. Lack of surrounding platform space I guess. Hardly necessary as Canada Water is very close. Still beneficial if that station closed for some reason. |
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Post by 35b on Jul 7, 2020 12:18:11 GMT
Maybe that's why they decided not to put lifts there. Shame. Lack of surrounding platform space I guess. Hardly necessary as Canada Water is very close. Not sure Iād think much of that if I were in need of the assistance and were being forced to go further to Canada Water. |
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Post by Chris L on Jul 7, 2020 16:48:36 GMT
Hardly necessary as Canada Water is very close. Not sure Iād think much of that if I were in need of the assistance and were being forced to go further to Canada Water. Rotherhithe has very restricted layout with awkward stairs. Canada Water has much better facilities all round with good bus services. You can see the Rotherhithe platforms from Canada Water. I was surprised they didn't try to close Rotherhithe given the proximity. |
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Post by ijmad on Jul 23, 2020 9:07:21 GMT
They did try - I remember reading both Rotherhithe and Wapping were expected to be closed as part of the ELLX project, as their platforms are short and narrow, both stations have accessibility problems, and Rotherhithe is a short distance from Canada Water.
However, Livingstone backtracked in 2004, not sure where the pressure came from, but I remember it being news that they'd both been 'saved'.
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 5, 2020 14:02:44 GMT
The actual platform lengths of platforms (as opposed to the 'berths' for current trains) prior to St. Mary's Curve being removed were: Shoreditch - 370ft Whitechapel - 468ft Shadwell - 452ft Wapping - 310ft Rotherhithe - 290ft Surrey Docks - 302ft New Cross Gate - 547ft New Cross - 442ft With the approximate length of each sub-surface car pre-WW2 being 50ft, 6-car trains not only were possible but did operate until the through H&C service was withdrawn. They were all "do-able" for six-car trains although Rotherhithe and Surrey Docks are admittedly "tight". Of course, the 'berths' for current trains are as above. I hope no-one minds but the (slight) flaw in this thread is that it contains a mix of imperial and metric measurements in a way that makes direct before / after comparison somewhat difficult. So, I've converted the feet into metres, rounding down to the nearest metre. Sorry its taken me several months to get around to it (or should that be spelt as a round tuit)! Shoreditch - 112m Whitechapel - 142m Shadwell - 137m Wapping - 94m Rotherhithe - 88m Surrey Docks - 92m New Cross Gate - 166m New Cross - 134m average car length - 15m |
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