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Post by countryman on Feb 7, 2020 10:31:03 GMT
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Post by castlebar on Feb 8, 2020 13:41:22 GMT
That photo is almost certainly a milk train (empties) from United Dairies Wood Lane depot, which was just north of White City station.
These trains travelled via the Greenford East chord then via Castlebar Park. I think this once regular service ended around 1960
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Post by countryman on Feb 8, 2020 15:13:40 GMT
That photo is almost certainly a milk train (empties) from United Dairies Wood Lane depot, which was just north of White City station. These trains travelled via the Greenford East chord then via Castlebar Park. I think this once regular service ended around 1960 Certainly finished by 1960. You could see the line from our back garden in Perivale, and I never saw a milk train. In fact, other than the Birmingham epresses hauled by Kings until 1962, the only other steam engine I remember seeing was an immaculate 43xx stopped at a signal on the Greenford East chord.
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Post by castlebar on Feb 8, 2020 16:14:04 GMT
Countryman, I never saw one either, but I heard them regularly in the very early hours of the morning, climbing up from South Greenford
The Wood Lane milk facility was there for a long time afterwards, By that time, I think they came via the WLL as you are correct, the line from North Acton down to Wood Lane was seldom used after that. But I have seen photos of it being used by a couple of excursions to/from the Southern about thattime
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Post by twinrover1965 on Jun 27, 2020 18:53:49 GMT
Interesting photo. I recall these lines in situ about 1964, their last year of use as a result of being cited in the Beeching Report. I have seen other photos taken at the North Acton end of WR Panniers hauling milk trains with Standard Stock and 1962 stock operating alongside. The additional unelectrified lines between North Acton and Viaduct Junction were opened in 1938 and were designed to remove goods trains from the busy tube line, which was increasingly subject to delays caused by slow moving or derailed goods services. The impending war was another reason for its existence as it would provide alternative access to the West London Line. A prominent aim of the 1935 New Works Programme was to isolate freight movements so that they did not foul frequent tube services and for this reason many of the goods yards at the eastern end of the Central Line were quite elaborate in design allowing freight workings to be completely independent from the main tube service, along with their distinctive bomb proof brick built cabins housing the ground frames.
Part of the line's course at Viaduct Junction was swallowed up in the White City area by the Western Avenue extension aka Westway, c.1966. The thing I remember was that it took ages - about 10 years, prior to a local authority housing scheme in Du Cane Road taking some of the trackbed - to lift the track: it sort of disappeared piecemeal, in a random fashion, with the rails going first then the chairs and sleepers as if it was being cannibalised for use elsewhere by LT/WR/other unknown persons? Yes, in many cases it did take a long time for redundant trackage to be lifted - 4 years - in the case of the goods yards at Barkingside and Newbury Park - 9 years in Fairlop's case in 1967, but the removals were formally itemised in the LT Railways Traffic Circular and lifted in one go as part of a planned event in 1969, and not gradually. I still like to identify its course when travelling on the Central and the shot is the first I have seen of the tracks at East Acton. Alan A. Jackson's atmospheric shot of 1957 [featured in his second edition of "London's Local Railways"] taken from Wood Lane overbridge facing west includes all four tracks. Some years ago there was quite an involved discussion in one of the London Underground journals on whether there had been plans to include a freight facility in the new 1947 built station at White City in the vicinity of the signal box where the trackbed widens for no apparent reason, but the investigation was inconclusive. White City Underground Depot also had a BR connection with the West London Line of which I have never been able to establish a closure date but can only assume Beeching was involved!
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Post by Tom on Jun 28, 2020 9:43:49 GMT
The signalling for White City used to show the extra pair of tracks many years after they were lifted. They even appeared on the new scale plan when White City was resignalled, years after they had been removed!
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 28, 2020 19:30:20 GMT
The signalling for White City used to show the extra pair of tracks many years after they were lifted. They even appeared on the new scale plan when White City was resignalled, years after they had been removed! erm, was there not an asset inventory before drawing up plans before such projects? LU is not ths only railway operator who has included closed and removed assets in projects decades after the closures. I recall just a few years ago there being a closure of the ECML at / near Finsbury Park and the maps showing the sections of railway that would be affected extended up towards Highgate, even though that line had closed in the 1960's and at the time was a pedestrian footpath.
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Post by t697 on Jun 29, 2020 6:09:23 GMT
Stretch alongside the Central line has been mooted as a possible LUL Test Track more than once in the last 40 years or so.
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Post by countryman on Jun 29, 2020 8:59:20 GMT
Stretch alongside the Central line has been mooted as a possible LUL Test Track more than once in the last 40 years or so. If it were to be done now, it wouldn't be very long. It could only run from North Acton to just past the Du Cane Road bridge. The trackbed beyond has been used for development. When I went to school I went along the stretch from North Acton to East Acton every day, followed by a walk along Du Cane Road to my (now demolished) school. In those days there was no vegetation along the GWR trackbed. Now it almost seems a forest. I would imagine that ecologists wouldn't be too happy to lose an urban wildlife corridor.
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Post by Tom on Jun 29, 2020 10:14:42 GMT
The signalling for White City used to show the extra pair of tracks many years after they were lifted. They even appeared on the new scale plan when White City was resignalled, years after they had been removed! erm, was there not an asset inventory before drawing up plans before such projects? Do you keep records of when your neighbour mows their lawn? In the same vein, why should LU keep records of assets which aren't theirs? I just looked and they are still shown on the scale plan even today, which is odd as I'm sure I asked for it to be taken off when we did Points and Crossings work in the area back in 2010 (I checked that design). The extra tracks don't appear on the East Acton plan, or indeed any of the other plans.
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Post by twinrover1965 on Jun 30, 2020 14:58:34 GMT
To complete the story of this forgotten backwater of a line further to my message above, it was formally closed by Western Region on 9th March 1964. I have added a link to the Western Region London Division Working Timetable for Passenger and Classes 4,5,6 Freight Trains for September 1963 to June 1964, refer to pages A291 to A320 showing movements on the line and others in the West London area. www.michaelclemensrailways.co.uk/?atk=569 [select section D timetable from the right hand menu] I had not realised it was quite busy until the very end with not only goods trains bound for locations outside the capital but a number of LE [Light Engine] movements between Viaduct Junction [Express Dairy] milk depot and Old Oak Common Shed, reversing at North Acton Junction.
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Post by countryman on Jun 30, 2020 15:27:22 GMT
To get this to work I had to delete the %C2%A0 that came up on the end of the url. It's a shame I missed this as, if it closed on 9th March 1964, I only started using the line in September 1064. 6 Months too late!
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