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Post by theangel on Jan 27, 2020 22:24:13 GMT
I hope it's okay to ask this, it isn't really Underground. I have lots of Underground questions too but I didn't want to send a whole list of questions in my 2nd post.
At Carpender's Park Overground, there are some buildings attached to the north end of the island platforms. It also looks like there are the remains of some buildings on the track opposite. Is this the original Carpender's Park Station or were the buildings part of the current station? I have a picture of the original station but I'm not sure where it was on the line.
I also read online that Kilburn High Road used to have main line platforms. I thought the only stations with disused platforms on the DC line were Hatch End, Acton Lane (at Harlesden), Willesden Junction, South Hampstead and Chalk Farm. Some of these stations still have platforms, others had gaps where the platforms were. But I don't remember seeing anything like that at Kilburn High Road.
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Post by stapler on Jan 28, 2020 8:36:54 GMT
Not an expert on this area, but I can remember derelict platforms in the early 60s before the OHLE went up. The LNWR and NLR atmosphere of the 50s was of gaunt, sepulchral, half-ruined stations the Premier Line had built in its heyday for a traffic that by 1955 had vaporised
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Post by theangel on Jan 28, 2020 14:47:40 GMT
Thanks stapler, that's a great description, I can really picture the stations as they were then. The term 'ghost station' seems particularly appropriate here. It's sad the situation was allowed to develop but at the same time it's part of railway history and therefore exciting.
Another thing that's always intrigued me about this line, I wonder why the northbound fast platform about Bushey became disused but the southbound fast didn't. The most likely reason I can think of is that the southbound was part of an island which the public had full access to (though this rule doesn't apply to Platform 5 at Watford Junction which is clearly in a disused condition, unlike the adjoining Platform 6). Of course the fast northbound at Bushey is also part of an island but that's separated from the DC Line by a fence so there was no public access.
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Post by superteacher on Jan 28, 2020 21:26:04 GMT
London Overground discussion is perfectly fine on this forum, even more so here as the Watford line is so closely associated with the Bakerloo line.
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Post by roythebus on Jan 28, 2020 22:25:16 GMT
There used to be main line platforms at Queens Park. I can't remember when they were taken out, but certainly still in occasional use after the OHLe was energised. there were a few specials that ran from Camden Road to Birmingham New Street in 1967/68. I still have the ticket somewhere!
The platforms at WJ were taken out pre-OHLE to allow realignemnt of the main lines. I can't remember when the other platforms were taken out of use.
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Post by goldenarrow on Jan 29, 2020 0:37:01 GMT
theangel , Platform 3 suffered extensive damage from a derailment of a Manchester to Euston express which flung nine carriages over to the Northbound Fast platform. From then on it was sealed off and effectively left to decay. Since London Overground took over management of the station it has been rebuilt as a fully functioning platform although only now being able to take a four car train and is more for emergency evacuation than anything else.
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Post by Chris M on Jan 29, 2020 0:59:57 GMT
theangel , Platform 3 suffered extensive damage from a derailment of a Manchester to Euston express which flung nine carriages over to the Northbound Fast platform. From then on it was sealed off and effectively left to decay. The Railways Archive has a couple of images of the aftermath of this accident (February 1980) and the report into it: www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/eventsummary.php?eventID=222
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Post by theangel on Jan 29, 2020 1:13:24 GMT
Thank you, goldenarrow. It's awful that happened but I'm glad I know.
roythebus, I thought there were two main line platforms at Queen's Park but two had been removed?
There are 3 disused platforms at Watford Junction that I know of (not including the original Watford station), though only one that's in the right place for the Overground/Underground. Platform 5 next to the DC platforms 1-4. The former Platform 10, the old bay platform to St Albans Abbey which was turned into a car park so big it ended up blocking up the old Platforms 11 and 12 which also ran to St Albans Abbey. The former Platform 12, opposite the current Platform 10, now a trackless bay that gives access to the current Platform 11.
Have I got that right?
It's interesting that there's a gap in the platforms numbers where Platform 5 should be but no gap in the numbers was left for the former Platform 12. Maybe they thought Platform 5 could be brought back into use at some stage.
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Post by andypurk on Jan 29, 2020 2:37:15 GMT
theangel , Platform 3 suffered extensive damage from a derailment of a Manchester to Euston express which flung nine carriages over to the Northbound Fast platform. From then on it was sealed off and effectively left to decay. Since London Overground took over management of the station it has been rebuilt as a fully functioning platform although only now being able to take a four car train and is more for emergency evacuation than anything else. Platform 3 is used Saturday evening plus Sunday morning and evening, depending on which down line is in use during the regular weekend engineering works. This is the reason why trains are timetabled to set down only at Bushey, as people are not allowed to wait on this platform , given the limited space available. Alighting passengers are told to use the front four coaches only for Bushey, if the train is longer than four (in a similar fashion to Up trains calling at the short Wembley Central platform 6).
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Post by crusty54 on Jan 29, 2020 9:55:12 GMT
There used to be main line platforms at Queens Park. I can't remember when they were taken out, but certainly still in occasional use after the OHLe was energised. there were a few specials that ran from Camden Road to Birmingham New Street in 1967/68. I still have the ticket somewhere! The platforms at WJ were taken out pre-OHLE to allow realignemnt of the main lines. I can't remember when the other platforms were taken out of use. The up platform at Queens Park is still there but fenced off from the down local part. Indeed, the lamps standards for the down local side are the wrong side of the fence. I had to work on site with my team to change the lamps in them. It took considerable planning to do it safely.
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Post by roythebus on Jan 31, 2020 21:53:01 GMT
I understand the main line platforms at Bushey are use on weekends when there's engineering works. I've noticed the stops on the departure boards when I've been doing rail replacements for Sullivan buses.
There used to be platforms on the fast lines at Queens Park. I think they were taken out in the mid 1970s. I found the special ticket earlier today for the opening ceremony special trains in 1967. there was a loco-hauled special to New Street and an AM10 from Camden Road to New Street, and maybe another AM10 from Euston calling at Queens Park and other odd places to New Street.
do 't forget there was another accident on the main line between Watford Jcn and bushey in 1974 whan a class AL6 ended up on the down side at the bottom of the bank by the gas wrks curve. It stayed there a couple of years as they had to build a special road to recover it. It was well outside the reach and lifting capacity of the biggest BR cranes. The camber on the curve had a lot to do with recovery problems.
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Post by crusty54 on Feb 1, 2020 3:14:22 GMT
I understand the main line platforms at Bushey are use on weekends when there's engineering works. I've noticed the stops on the departure boards when I've been doing rail replacements for Sullivan buses. There used to be platforms on the fast lines at Queens Park. I think they were taken out in the mid 1970s. I found the special ticket earlier today for the opening ceremony special trains in 1967. there was a loco-hauled special to New Street and an AM10 from Camden Road to New Street, and maybe another AM10 from Euston calling at Queens Park and other odd places to New Street. do 't forget there was another accident on the main line between Watford Jcn and bushey in 1974 whan a class AL6 ended up on the down side at the bottom of the bank by the gas wrks curve. It stayed there a couple of years as they had to build a special road to recover it. It was well outside the reach and lifting capacity of the biggest BR cranes. The camber on the curve had a lot to do with recovery problems. As stated above, the up fast platform at Queens Park is still there but fenced off. A very narrow strip is all that is left. It was an island platform with the down slow where some trains are scheduled to stop.
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Post by selbiehouse on May 5, 2020 17:01:20 GMT
I do recall that the materials to repair platform three were actually delivered to the platform. There they remained for years with weeds growing up around them until they were eventually removed/pilfered.
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Post by londoner on May 5, 2020 22:43:26 GMT
The fast platforms at Harrow and Wealdstone I believe were in use at least until recently. It was only a few years ago when I took a delayed southbound Southern train from one of the platforms. They are usually locked with gates but can be opened by the station staff. I may have taken a picture though it won't show much because I was in a hurry.
I don't think there are any scheduled stops on the mainline platforms at Queen's park anymore. There was a scheme to introduce a new service from Euston to Preston(?) which had the intention to terminate at least for a short while at Queen's Park but it has not gone ahead for one reason or another.
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Post by Chris M on May 5, 2020 23:06:41 GMT
The plan from Preston (or wherever) was always intended to go to Euston with Queen's Park as a stop-gap used only if paths further were unavailable.
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Post by Chris L on May 6, 2020 3:49:20 GMT
The fast platforms at Harrow and Wealdstone I believe were in use at least until recently. It was only a few years ago when I took a delayed southbound Southern train from one of the platforms. They are usually locked with gates but can be opened by the station staff. I may have taken a picture though it won't show much because I was in a hurry. I don't think there are any scheduled stops on the mainline platforms at Queen's park anymore. There was a scheme to introduce a new service from Euston to Preston(?) which had the intention to terminate at least for a short while at Queen's Park but it has not gone ahead for one reason or another. The fast platforms at Harrow & Wealdstone can be used in an emergency hence the sliding gates. There is no longer a platform on the down fast line at Queens Park. The up fast platform is fenced off with only a very narrow strip remaining. Early morning and late night trains do stop on the slow line platforms. The doors on the footbridge are opened at these times.
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Post by rincew1nd on May 6, 2020 6:50:44 GMT
The plan from Preston (or wherever) was always intended to go to Euston with Queen's Park as a stop-gap used only if paths further were unavailable. My understanding was that there weren't paths into Euston, so the application was to terminate at Queens's Park. Once Network Rail realised this would be a massive headache (but not something they could oppose) they managed to find some paths into Euston. I'm not quite sure how this idea came to be in my brain, so I'm happy to be proved wrong. A cl90 was repainted and driver training had started for this service shortly before Covid-19 had an impact on the network.
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Post by selbiehouse on May 6, 2020 21:26:36 GMT
Even though the fast line platforms at Harrow & Wealdstone are fenced off it is still considered vitally necessary to announce over the loud speakers when a fast train is approaching!
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