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Post by silverfoxcc on Dec 1, 2019 19:55:55 GMT
Got on at Kew around 17.30ish and had a glacial journey round to Gospel Oak. Then this came over the PA
Due to late running, this service will now run non stop to Stratford
There were some people who got on at Gospel Oak who for whatever reason didn't hear this and the look on their faces as we went past their stop was priceless
Wasn't a world record run, but interesting. Should have more limited stop services IMHO, esp when the purple line starts running. A twyford,Maidenhead.Ealing Bdy service would be nice instead of all stations, saving me nothing The only time i will save travelling from Twyford to LivSt wil be the walk to the bakerloo and the 5mins or so travelling between Pad and Lst ( guessing the last bit as i cannot find proposed timetables)
Anybody placing bets that even after the monumental cockups those in charge will get knightghoods? Personally all they should get are P45's
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Post by superteacher on Dec 1, 2019 19:58:17 GMT
I’ve seen several limited stop services on the line. They seem to prefer this to terminating trains short.
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Post by Chris M on Dec 1, 2019 20:23:40 GMT
Whether the preference is for skipping stops or for turning short (on NR) seems to be based mostly on the penalty reigeime. Although if drivers change over at the terminus that will impact decisions too.
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Post by rincew1nd on Dec 1, 2019 23:17:32 GMT
I’ve seen several limited stop services on the line. They seem to prefer this to terminating trains short. If you terminate a train short and reverse it then under most PPM (Public Performance Measure) regimes this results in two non-compliant trains. However if one is run limited-stop such that the return working is then able to depart at booked time (assuming there is no further delay) then only one service fails PPM. If there is a highly frequent service then, on the whole, passengers are unlikely to be adversely affected by this. Obviously this tactic is not viable in areas where the standard service is 1tph (or less). |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 2, 2019 9:17:22 GMT
If you terminate a train short and reverse it then under most PPM (Public Performance Measure) regimes this results in two non-compliant trains. However if one is run limited-stop such that the return working is then able to depart at booked time (assuming there is no further delay) then only one service fails PPM. If there is a highly frequent service then, on the whole, passengers are unlikely to be adversely affected by this. Obviously this tactic is not viable in areas where the standard service is 1tph (or less). This is almost a daily occurrence on SWR, on most lines of which trains are 2tph. Recently we had one stopped short (before it reached us) and the next run non-stop (with the mendacious announcement "please stand clear - this train is not scheduled to stop at this station"). Turning a train round on the branch before it reaches the main line means no-one can use the return working. And trains run non-stop don't make up time because when they reach the main line the signallers don't divert them to the fast tracks but simply let them join the procession of stopping services on the slows (even though they are not going to call). It is also all-too-frequent that they skip stop a peak flow service in order that the stock can run its next counterpeak service on time - thereby inconveniencing many more passengers than they help. And of course, the extended dwell times to following trains caused by the crowds building up at the skipped stations cause further delays to subsequent services. All of which goes to show that PPM is not measuring the right thing - a train arriving on-time but empty, whilst its would-be passengers are still standing around on draughty desolate platforms, should not earn any brownie points. Would you pay for a pizza if the delivery driver turned up punctually, but empty-handed? If you have the temerity to question the decisions of "Control", or ask them to justify them, Customer Relations very firmly put you in your place. The decisions of "Control", however bizarre they appear, are beyond reproach and not to be questioned by the mere mortals paying for the service. |
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Post by littlejohn on Dec 2, 2019 12:28:05 GMT
A little while ago I caught the last train from Paddington to Newbury (change at Reading). The Paddington train ran late and 2 dozen or so of us got off at Reading to find the Newbury train had already left. Mad rush by Reading station staff to find taxis (at just after midnight on a Saturday night!) to get us all to our destinations. Presumably it was cheaper to pay for taxis than the PPM for delaying the Newbury departure. What made it even more galling was that the last RDG– NBY train is timetabled to set down only, so delaying it for a few minutes would not have resulted in passengers joining down the line being delayed.
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