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Post by superteacher on Oct 17, 2019 17:37:44 GMT
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Post by futurix on Oct 17, 2019 18:15:44 GMT
Well, it's a dumb choice of a location. Really really dumb.
Whomever picked Canning Town probably thought that all of Docklands is like Canary Wharf...
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Post by Chris M on Oct 17, 2019 18:25:49 GMT
Disrupting those who are commuting using high capacity electric public transport to get to work is not going to go down well at the best of times.
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Post by superteacher on Oct 17, 2019 18:28:31 GMT
It worries me that if this carries on, someone will get seriously hurt or worse. I don’t condone violence but I question the wisdom of people who choose to disrupt a form of transport which, on the whole, is fairly environmentally friendly.
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Post by Chris W on Oct 17, 2019 18:37:00 GMT
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Post by aslefshrugged on Oct 17, 2019 19:51:33 GMT
According to reports 72% of XR members voted against this but a few muppets decided to go ahead regardless. The right wing press will no doubt try to tar the majority of the protestors with the same brush in order to discredit the whole movement but that should not be allowed to negate the overall message.
Its like saying that all socialist thinking is flawed because of Marxism and the particular version of Marxism (but not the only version if Marxism) that was practised under the Soviet Union.
Not everything is black and white, there are shades of grey in between (where are my handcuffs?).
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Post by goldenarrow on Oct 17, 2019 20:21:25 GMT
The lobby journalists have christmas coming earlier than a supermarket! This will just enable the spinning of a story of a band of middle class loons ignorant enough to sabotage an electric railway, one of the biggest emission savers in the capital. This pathetic and reckless act draws directly away from the very issue that XR at large are campaigning for, the've scuttled their own ship, axes and all.
Moreover, Canning Town is a working community, its residents don't have the luxury of getting into work late or taking days off because of a sit in. You saw that born out in the video footage. All this will do is feed the notion that an ignorant minority want to disrupt the lives of working people.
XR is of course made of numerous splinter factions, some very reasonable such as the ones I've had to face on the job at Heathrow, others downright deluded economic theorists. But of course, it only takes the actions of a few, for the whole movement to be brought into disrepute.
How does that saying go? The three trials of Britain: Trial by judge, trial by jury, trial by public opinion....
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Post by Antje on Oct 17, 2019 21:01:12 GMT
This is becoming like where there were two separate movements for the right of women to vote in the UK during the early 20th century: Greta Thunberg is like Millicent Fawcett as to what the Extinction Rebellion is like the Suffragettes (sic). I know climate change to be a serious problem, but what the Extinction Rebellion is doing is going to backfire on the movement against climate change. There are no prizes for guessing the current state of my health because of things that are outside the scope of the forum: it’s really dire and no amount of icing will hide that.
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 17, 2019 21:43:24 GMT
I would hope that they do not do this again - the sight of passengers physically attacking them and dragging at least one man off the top of the train had better act as a warning not to mess with railway passengers, because if there is a next time something worse might happen. The people pulled off the train are also very lucky they had not also glued their hands to the train (as per the DLR train), because the people pulling them off the train might have still tried - not caring about the outcome.
I also saw what happened to the person using the camera with tripod. OK, he should not have been using a tripod, but thats not the issue here.
I wonder if road users will now start to react similarly?
I do not agree with either the protests or the violent reaction. Yes, I understand about why XR are protesting, however my first thought was for the ordinary working people needing to get to work. Or to catch a flight from City Airport.
What I would like is better information on the effect of the ongoing undersea volcanism and methane hydrates emissions, plus the use of historical data of CO2 levels for the past 1000+ years; the Chinese also have records that include information on climatic conditions that go back many thousands of years and I think this too will help us understand what is happening and likely trends in the near future.
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Post by brigham on Oct 18, 2019 7:38:13 GMT
The British Transport Police "found it concerning to see that a number of commuters took matters into their own hands, displaying violent behaviour to detain a protester"
I "found it concerning" that people were walking around on the roof of a train in service. Should I have called the British Transport Police?
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Post by John Tuthill on Oct 18, 2019 9:57:07 GMT
The British Transport Police "found it concerning to see that a number of commuters took matters into their own hands, displaying violent behaviour to detain a protester" I "found it concerning" that people were walking around on the roof of a train in service. Should I have called the British Transport Police? If you did they'd ask: "Which branch of Social services do you require?" In my day it was known as a citizens Arrest. "Arrest! You mean I've got to arrest people, and not just walk around like a 5th rate robocop?"  |
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Post by superteacher on Oct 18, 2019 23:09:49 GMT
There is a difference between enacting a citizen’s arrest and a crowd of people kicking somebody repeatedly on the floor . . .
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Post by commuter on Oct 19, 2019 4:47:07 GMT
The British Transport Police "found it concerning to see that a number of commuters took matters into their own hands, displaying violent behaviour to detain a protester" I "found it concerning" that people were walking around on the roof of a train in service. Should I have called the British Transport Police? No, because L.U.L already told the police. |
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Post by brigham on Oct 19, 2019 7:54:32 GMT
Perhaps the BTP are short-staffed? I share their concern that the public should be left to deal with police work.
It might be an idea to swear-in Special Constables to make up the numbers, same as during the General Strike.
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Post by superteacher on Oct 19, 2019 13:41:33 GMT
Back on topic please. This thread is not meant to be a critique of policing methods.
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Post by commuter on Oct 21, 2019 12:36:15 GMT
Perhaps the BTP are short-staffed? I share their concern that the public should be left to deal with police work. It might be an idea to swear-in Special Constables to make up the numbers, same as during the General Strike. They aren’t (and weren’t) short staffed on the day of the incident, especially when you consider that officers had days off cancelled and shifts changed/extended to provide coverage and resilience on this day. Officers and specialist teams were on route, but with everything it takes time to get there. I understand customers removed the protestors within minutes, well within the timescale for officers to attend. |
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Post by trt on Oct 21, 2019 13:31:15 GMT
There is a difference between enacting a citizen’s arrest and a crowd of people kicking somebody repeatedly on the floor . . . I don't see how the power of citizen's arrest could actually have been lawfully employed here anyway. Were they at risk of injuring themselves or others? No. The train was halted, the drivers and dispatchers were aware. They could have fallen off the roof onto the tracks, but that seems unlikely to be their intent, or imminent. Were they at risk of causing loss or damage to property? No. They were already on the roof. Any potential damage would have already been done. Were they at risk of absconding before the constabulary arrived? No. They were attempting a sit in (or on) protest. Looks more like inexcusable mob mentality. |
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Post by brigham on Oct 21, 2019 16:46:53 GMT
No, it looks like people have got sick of 'protesters'stopping them getting to work.
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Post by rincew1nd on Oct 21, 2019 16:54:22 GMT
Back on topic please. This thread is not meant to be a critique of policing methods. |
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