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Post by MoreToJack on Aug 22, 2019 22:09:39 GMT
Simple one (I hope...!) - can anyone tell me what the peak and off-peak frequencies were on the East London line prior to the closure of Shoreditch, so c. 2005? Much obliged.
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Post by DWS on Aug 23, 2019 5:50:03 GMT
I can remember off peak in the 1980 ‘s New Cross service was ever 15 minutes, New Cross Gate ever 15 minutes. Surrey Docks to Whitechapel was every 7.5 minutes. Whitechapel signal box had push buttons that controlled Whitechapel platforms 5 & 6 also Shoreditch
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 7:38:15 GMT
The push buttons were removed with the resignalling in the 90’s and control was moved to New Cross
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Post by DWS on Aug 23, 2019 11:02:07 GMT
The push buttons were removed with the resignalling in the 90’s and control was moved to New Cross Yes the East London Line control room was in New Cross Depot .All money spent for a short time when the line was a stand alone Business Unit before LU gave up the line, all that money spent on new signalling systems then have it replaced by a Network Rail system.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 25, 2019 7:57:00 GMT
I seem to remember a peak timetable (probably 90s) which had a 6 min service from Shoreditch to Surrey Docks (Quays) with alternate trains to each of the New Cross termini.
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Post by theblackferret on Aug 25, 2019 10:38:37 GMT
I seem to remember a peak timetable (probably 90s) which had a 6 min service from Shoreditch to Surrey Docks (Quays) with alternate trains to each of the New Cross termini. Yes, I remember that and using it, too, to New Cross Gate. From memory, though, I used it in 1974/5 when Man Utd were in the 2nd tier & played Millwall at The Den, so that may have been a Saturday special adapted from the usual peak-hours Mon-Fri service. By 1988, when Millwall finally reached the top flight, I was married to Mrs tbf & so had better things to do on Saturdays. I think the Sunday service prior to about 1980 was more comprehensive than Saturday, because the latter is the Jewish Sabbath, and there was still a significant Yiddish population in that area, especially around Shoreditch.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 25, 2019 12:38:45 GMT
I think the Sunday service prior to about 1980 was more comprehensive than Saturday, because the latter is the Jewish Sabbath, and there was still a significant Yiddish population in that area, especially around Shoreditch. The March 2005 tube map notes Shoreditch's opening hours as: In January 2003: In March 2000:
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 25, 2019 15:53:47 GMT
The Sunday service to Shoreditch was, I understood, to serve the Middlesex Street Sunday market (Petticoat Lane)
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Post by superteacher on Aug 25, 2019 15:59:31 GMT
The Sunday service to Shoreditch was, I understood, to serve the Middlesex Street Sunday market (Petticoat Lane) And of course Brick Lane market, which was right outside the station.
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Post by John Tuthill on Aug 26, 2019 10:15:45 GMT
I seem to remember a peak timetable (probably 90s) which had a 6 min service from Shoreditch to Surrey Docks (Quays) with alternate trains to each of the New Cross termini. Yes, I remember that and using it, too, to New Cross Gate. From memory, though, I used it in 1974/5 when Man Utd were in the 2nd tier & played Millwall at The Den, so that may have been a Saturday special adapted from the usual peak-hours Mon-Fri service. By 1988, when Millwall finally reached the top flight, I was married to Mrs tbf & so had better things to do on Saturdays. I think the Sunday service prior to about 1980 was more comprehensive than Saturday, because the latter is the Jewish Sabbath, and there was still a significant Yiddish population in that area, especially around Shoreditch. In the mid '70's LTE published a series of booklets detailing a brief history of the various underground lines,written by Charles E.Lee for the princely sum of £:50p each! The one titled: "The East London Line and the Thames Tunnel", details its history from Brunel through to 1975, although briefly, including the fact that the large Yiddish population around Whitechapel was recognised, and special posters and leaflets were published in Yiddish in 1901 detailing traffic to the Crystal palace. The District Line followed suit detailing trips to Kew Gardens. Interestingly these brief histories are no longer detailed on the LT Museum web page,maybe they are still on sale in the shop(?) although some of the line histories are shown on Amazon
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Post by Chris L on Aug 27, 2019 9:56:24 GMT
I seem to remember a peak timetable (probably 90s) which had a 6 min service from Shoreditch to Surrey Docks (Quays) with alternate trains to each of the New Cross termini. Yes, I remember that and using it, too, to New Cross Gate. From memory, though, I used it in 1974/5 when Man Utd were in the 2nd tier & played Millwall at The Den, so that may have been a Saturday special adapted from the usual peak-hours Mon-Fri service. By 1988, when Millwall finally reached the top flight, I was married to Mrs tbf & so had better things to do on Saturdays. I think the Sunday service prior to about 1980 was more comprehensive than Saturday, because the latter is the Jewish Sabbath, and there was still a significant Yiddish population in that area, especially around Shoreditch. Think you've got your days mixed up. After dusk on Friday into Saturday is the Sabbath.
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Post by MoreToJack on Aug 27, 2019 12:43:08 GMT
Thanks all - so every 6-7.5mins seems a good average for what the service would have been - roughly 8-10tph. That sounds like it should be about right. Much appreciated!
Enjoying the additional anecdotes of the ELL too - it's a line that's dropped a little into obscurity since closure (notwithstanding the modern Overground routes of course). I definitely went to Shoreditch just before closure but have very few memories of the line; it was whilst I was away from London, so I really do enjoy these insights!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 27, 2019 13:16:01 GMT
I think the Sunday service prior to about 1980 was more comprehensive than Saturday, because the latter [i.e Saturday] is the Jewish Sabbath, and there was still a significant Yiddish population in that area, especially around Shoreditch. Think you've got your days mixed up. After dusk on Friday into Saturday is the Sabbath. [/quote] Indeed, strict observance of the Jewish Sabbath would forbid travelling, so there would be less demand for a train service amongst that population on Saturdays (and indeed Friday evenings) than on Sundays.
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