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Post by barrybahamas on Jul 18, 2019 1:20:31 GMT
One thing that intrigues me about this line which I can't find any reference to.
I know that the Armstrong lift was covered over by the Eurostar construction meaning that trains had to be brought in and out of the line by a small whole in the street somewhere east of Waterloo.
My question is that I have seen photos of the depot at Waterloo showing daylight - so why don't they use this access to drop/bring up trains to service the W&C?
btw, I also remember a post in this forum that showed a video with the individual cars coming up the Armstrong lift, being reconnected and traveling by their own steam (so to speak) to Eastleigh over SR metals for servicing - can't find it, perhaps a more experienced member can show a link to this. There was also some talk about why this vintage had windscreen wipers when it was totally underground - but this was the reason why (for travel to Eastleigh).
Thanks everyone
Barry
edited for spelling -not my strong point
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Post by revupminster on Jul 18, 2019 6:09:13 GMT
These are good.
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Post by Chris M on Jul 18, 2019 8:53:37 GMT
The daylight you can see comes from the hole they use to move stock to and from the line. It's not a very big hole though and the only way to use it is to crane the trains in/out one car at a time.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jul 18, 2019 9:36:22 GMT
In this overhead shot I think the rather shakey red arrow indicates the lifting area and the green arrow points to the part of the line where light comes in.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jul 18, 2019 10:31:45 GMT
.....and a picture taken from Spur Road showing the crane.
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Post by Chris M on Jul 18, 2019 10:45:15 GMT
That crane will pesumably only be used for materials - a 1992 stock car weighs 20.5-22.5 tonnes, considerably more than the 1.5 tonnes that crane is rated for (assuming "WLL" means "working load limit"). In April 2006 the cars were removed for refurbishment using a much larger mobile crane. Photograph © Owen Dunn. Permission granted to reproduce "anywhere for any purpose".
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 18, 2019 13:03:57 GMT
Daylight can also be seen at the lifting area, as it is covered by a meshwork lid, which is raised and lowered using the four blue winches seen in the first picture (the lid itself is hidden behind the parapet)
The main purpose of the original Armstrong lift was to deliver coal trucks to the W&C's power station (remember that the line was built 17 years before electrification arrived upstairs at Waterloo, and was only connected to the main Southern Railway supply in 1948). On one occasion the lift wasn't secured properly and started to descend under the weight of the trucks before the shunting engine was uncoupled. No 672 ended up at the bottom of the lift shaft and could only be removed one piece at a time .
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Post by barrybahamas on Jul 19, 2019 1:28:19 GMT
That's interesting, I always assumed the Armstrong lift was solely for getting the passenger cars in and out.
Getting back to my original question I can see why the "daylight" section can't be used in whistlekilliers' photo with the arrows - there doesn't appear to be any road access to that area. (green arrow)
'still looking for that youtube showing the stock in formation driving itself outside down to Eastleigh.
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Post by drainrat on Jul 21, 2019 15:52:14 GMT
There are 3 areas in the depot where light comes in. The light most likely seen is probably neither the green or red arrow, but on the inside curve of Spur rd. If you look from departures platform, the light you will see is from the opening indicated by both green and red arrows. If you look from arrivals, then part will be from green arrow, but the background light will be from the opening by the inside curve of Spur road. Hope this helps
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Post by roythebus on Aug 6, 2019 9:56:13 GMT
The current cars are brought in by low loader which parks lengthways so it it in line with the railway if I remember correctly, hence the lack of street furniture in the area.
There is a second lift the depot are which was used to lift coal wagons up to the power station which is/was located at the bottom of the picture showing Spur Road. The maintenance workhops are located under Spur Road, and yes, there's track at street level for the wagons to be moved around. It is also used to lift bogies from track level to street level for workshop attention.
there's a Facebook Waterloo & City group which has a photo of the M7 upside down in the lift shaft as well as a lot of other intersting photos and anecdotes.
The old stock was not fitted with windscreen wipers.
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Post by drainrat on Aug 6, 2019 9:58:48 GMT
All still in use
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 6, 2019 11:14:28 GMT
There is a second lift the depot are which was used to lift coal wagons up to the power station which is/was located at the bottom of the picture showing Spur Road. there's track at street level for the wagons to be moved around. Where is/was this second lift? It must be a very long time since it was used for coal wagons. I don't know when the power station closed (1940 perhaps, when the line was converted to 3rd rail to Southern Railway standards?) Nor have I noticed any surviving track at street level.
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Post by slugabed on Aug 6, 2019 12:26:51 GMT
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Aug 6, 2019 14:17:40 GMT
Here's another Google Map shot showing the trains in the depot.
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 6, 2019 20:31:48 GMT
As previously stated, the area pointed to with the red arrow (in the Google maps image above) has a wire mesh covering. To the right of the opening is a section of ground that used to be accessible but has now been blocked off - I suspect that someone could still get into this area but they would have to jump over railings intended to keep people out! However, it was not always like this... in circa 2011 I spent a few months working near to here and was able to walk right up to the metal mesh roof covering the opening where the rolling stock is craned in or out. In this image Waterloo station is in the distance and of course you can also see the crane - as well as some sidewall metal mesh. For this next image I walked right up to the concrete wall with the sections of red and peeling white paint - and looked down, towards the tracks - some of which have trains on them. I would have filmed through the square sidewall metal mesh - as can be seen the location from where I was filming was below the metal mesh which prevents direct access from above. Two trains on sidings below Spur Road plus a non-electrified siding which extends directly below the opening - and has become a rail storage area. Simon
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Post by drainrat on Aug 9, 2019 15:32:50 GMT
There is a second lift the depot are which was used to lift coal wagons up to the power station which is/was located at the bottom of the picture showing Spur Road. there's track at street level for the wagons to be moved around. Where is/was this second lift? It must be a very long time since it was used for coal wagons. I don't know when the power station closed (1940 perhaps, when the line was converted to 3rd rail to Southern Railway standards?) Nor have I noticed any surviving track at street level. It's accessed by the aptly named 'access' road by side of the old fire station pub, opposite the sainsburys local and tesco metro. The track is behind the shutters, the bogies are rolled down toward the lift, the lift carries them down to a track level rail, they're then pushed up to a rotation board at side of 2 rd where they're lifted by crane over 2/3 RDs on to the track
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Post by drainrat on Aug 9, 2019 15:42:39 GMT
Two trains on sidings below Spur Road plus a non-electrified siding which extends directly below the opening - and has become a rail storage area. Simon The more visible train is on 7rd, the other train is on 6rd, the non-electrified siding is 8rd. 6rd is used for litter picking, early morning stabler before shunting to 3rd. 7rd - according to CIRAS report from TfL, is only supposed to be used in emergencies as there's no trainstop on it, but as can clearly be seen here, that is not entirely true 🙄
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