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Post by tothetubetrains on Jun 22, 2019 13:34:14 GMT
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Post by brigham on Jun 24, 2019 11:45:22 GMT
These 'hidden' places have always fascinated me, right from childhood. I love the 3-D drawings; they look like something from a futuristic magazine, yet you can actually go in and explore them in real life. (I do go 'upstairs' sometimes, on my visits to Town).
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 24, 2019 22:13:10 GMT
I wonder if the lift shafts could be brought back into use for the various 'special needs' people (including tourists with heavy suitcases!) , I suspect that the answer is that there are steps between the lower landings and the platforms, but maybe (finance apart) there are other constraints preventing this.
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Post by Chris L on Jun 25, 2019 12:18:37 GMT
I wonder if the lift shafts could be brought back into use for the various 'special needs' people (including tourists with heavy suitcases!) , I suspect that the answer is that there are steps between the lower landings and the platforms, but maybe (finance apart) there are other constraints preventing this. To be worthwhile you would need step free access from street level to the platforms. The old shaft would not help. The platforms are curved and very narrow. Street level would be a nightmare with all the cables etc under the surface. Ideally you would adopt a solution as proposed at Camden Town. A complete new entrance. But where? What would the property cost?
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Post by Chris M on Jun 25, 2019 12:29:37 GMT
I think you'd just have to take the opportunity of an existing building near the station being redeveloped and integrate a small street-level entrance (probably just enough for lift and stairs) into the replacement. Many of the buildings around the junction are listed though which will reduce opportunities. The existing ticket hall and entrances are also listed so integration will not be easy either.
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Post by piccboy on Jun 25, 2019 23:58:53 GMT
Hello everyone! Thank you for accepting me into this Forum/ Website! May I just ask if any of you have any information on the Piccadilly Circus' Disused Lift Shafts and the Blocked-up Spiral Staircase?
I have seen the locked-up entrances to the disused lift shafts on the Piccadilly Platforms and the Northbound Bakerloo Platform but no sign of any locked-up entrance on the Southbound Bakerloo Platform. Do you know anything about it?
There is also a Spiral Staircase which is quite often used as a Shortcut from the Bakerloo to the Piccadilly Line Platforms, but I noticed that the Spiral Staircase goes up to the ticket hall/ booking office but is again, blocked. I also found out that it goes further down as well when I looked closely albeit it is now blocked too. The southbound platforms access was always a matter of debate. During my time of working at Piccadilly Circus, I was shown around the disused sections of the station. I can remember that the Bakerloo lift lobby was higher than the Bakerloo Platforms and the Piccadilly line lift lobby lower than Piccadilly Platforms. I was always curious about the "platform dispatchers box" on the southbound platform, as it is partially sunken into the wall, it was my personal suspicion that this was the entrance to the southbound Bakerloo platform from the lifts, however, others stated that the entrance was via the existing staircase down to the platform. The spiral staircase going up to the ticket hall which is blocked would need a lot of work to bring it into passenger use, as it has been used to run various wiring from ticket hall level to platforms. The spiral staircase does not go any further down and is simply blocked off to stop people loitering under the stairs. I wonder if the lift shafts could be brought back into use for the various 'special needs' people (including tourists with heavy suitcases!) , I suspect that the answer is that there are steps between the lower landings and the platforms, but maybe (finance apart) there are other constraints preventing this. The lifts shafts exit was sealed off (more or less) when the original station building was demolished and was located approximately where the Little Britannia shop is. Trivia the basement entrance from Piccadilly Circus to Little Britannia was originally the connection between the old station and the newer 1920's ticket hall and escalators, it even includes a heritage sign which points towards Little Britannia as the exit. The lift shafts have been re-purposed over the years, one is used for ventilation and has a large fan installed with ducting at the top leading outside. The other, has a room built across it at the Bakerloo lift lobby level. One additional piece of info, there was another spiral staircase over by the lifts that went from the old station level all the way down to the Piccadilly level, the shaft still exists, but the stairs were removed many years ago. I think you'd just have to take the opportunity of an existing building near the station being redeveloped and integrate a small street-level entrance (probably just enough for lift and stairs) into the replacement. Many of the buildings around the junction are listed though which will reduce opportunities. The existing ticket hall and entrances are also listed so integration will not be easy either. One suggestion made by a supervisor, who previously worked at the station, was to remove the Spiral staircase and use this shaft for a lift from ticket hall level to platforms. Ticket hall to street level would be via another lift, possibly in the building formerly known as London Trocadero, which already has an entrance into the ticket hall directly.
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Post by Chris L on Jun 26, 2019 19:28:43 GMT
The old lift shaft does not reach any of the platforms.
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 28, 2019 21:34:53 GMT
I wonder if the lift shafts could be brought back into use for the various 'special needs' people (including tourists with heavy suitcases!) , I suspect that the answer is that there are steps between the lower landings and the platforms, but maybe (finance apart) there are other constraints preventing this. To be worthwhile you would need step free access from street level to the platforms. The old shaft would not help. The platforms are curved and very narrow. Street level would be a nightmare with all the cables etc under the surface. Ideally you would adopt a solution as proposed at Camden Town. A complete new entrance. But where? What would the property cost? As per my question, I felt sure that there would be reasons why this would not be possible - as had it been easy it would have been done by now - so I say 'thank you' to Chris and everyone else who answered my question.
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