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Post by tom73 on Jun 11, 2019 8:21:38 GMT
Is there any particular reason for there being no Night Tube on the West Ruislip branch. Even a service as far as Northolt would be better than nothing
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 11, 2019 8:55:27 GMT
I don't know for certain, but could it be linked somehow to the need to maintain access to Ruislip Depot for engineering trains elsewhere on the network?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jun 11, 2019 10:07:45 GMT
I Googled "why no night tube to West Ruislip" and it gave me this:- www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/24_hour_tube_northoltRupert asks TfL's answer Rupert then asks TfL replies Initially Night Tube was only going as far as Woodford and was later extended to Loughton, I don't know the reason why it was extended but I suspect it might have been because there aren't enough facilities for train crew to have meal breaks at Woodford.
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Post by stapler on Jun 12, 2019 17:09:24 GMT
Surely Loughton was chosen because it has better terminal facilities and the Powerhouse traincrew hub? Also only the one passenger gateline.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 12, 2019 18:26:12 GMT
Surely Loughton was chosen because it has better terminal facilities and the Powerhouse traincrew hub? Also only the one passenger gateline. It's also an easier location for changing trains over, which happens during the course of the night. Woodford is not the easiest location to get one train into the siding, then another out again.
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Post by stapler on Jun 13, 2019 6:59:43 GMT
Surely Loughton was chosen because it has better terminal facilities and the Powerhouse traincrew hub? Also only the one passenger gateline. It's also an easier location for changing trains over, which happens during the course of the night. Woodford is not the easiest location to get one train into the siding, then another out again. Loughton has actually become quite a popular NT destination (not that I've seen the usage figures), and the taxi firm there (Sadlers, established in horse cab days; is this the oldest lasting taxi firm on the network?) seems to get a remunerative trade ferrying NT passengers to Epping, Harlow and far parts of Essex...
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Post by commuter on Jun 21, 2019 11:39:05 GMT
I suspect the main answer would be ‘lack of interest.’
If however they based expected demand off of existing night-bus routes then that might possibly explain why they think there’s no demand to Ruislip, as Ruislip doesn’t have any night-bus routes. Since night-tube started running Ruislip does have the 114 operate every 30 minute on Friday and Saturday nights but this isn’t very convenient for Central London as you’d have to get night-tube to Burnt Oak or Queensbury to connect with it, and it’s stll a fair old journey from there.
Do wonder why Ruislip doesn’t get any decent night-bus given places further out and/or places less major get night-bus routes such as Uxbridge and Biggin Hill. Even Waltham cross is served by them and that isn’t even in London!!!
Looking at the night-bus map the only station on the West Ruislip branch that has a direct night-bus to Zone 1 or 2 is Northolt (the N7, which also runs along Greenford Broadway but that is 1 and a bit miles south/25 minute walk under the A40) —and that only runs every 30 minute even before night-tube when many night bus frequencies were slashed.
Interestingly enough it was reported earlier this year that 80% of homes in Ruislip (HA4 postcode area) were sold to first time buyers. I suspect given those stats if the drive and funding that existed back in the mid 2000s when the night Network was expanded drastically then Ruislip would be a prime contender for a decent night link today.
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Post by A60stock on Jun 21, 2019 12:12:56 GMT
How about if a service was run every 30 mins on the branch to West ruislip? I suspect demand would go up if it had a night tube service as the tube is generally a preferred option to the bus.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jun 21, 2019 14:16:56 GMT
How about if a service was run every 30 mins on the branch to West ruislip? I suspect demand would go up if it had a night tube service as the tube is generally a preferred option to the bus. Night Tube is 6tph "in the middle" with 3tph to Ealing Broadway and the others terminating at White City, it would be a lot easier extending the White City terminators up to West Ruislip than to fit 2tph into the timetable.
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Post by commuter on Jun 21, 2019 17:49:03 GMT
How about if a service was run every 30 mins on the branch to West ruislip? I suspect demand would go up if it had a night tube service as the tube is generally a preferred option to the bus. Night Tube is 6tph "in the middle" with 3tph to Ealing Broadway and the others terminating at White City, it would be a lot easier extending the White City terminators up to West Ruislip than to fit 2tph into the timetable. Possibly. Or perhaps do something like how the Northern line runs with an uneven interval in the pipe to give an even service pattern on the branches (although maybe run more to Ealing Bdwy to take into account the extra demand.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jun 22, 2019 8:14:18 GMT
Night Tube is 6tph "in the middle" with 3tph to Ealing Broadway and the others terminating at White City, it would be a lot easier extending the White City terminators up to West Ruislip than to fit 2tph into the timetable. Possibly. Or perhaps do something like how the Northern line runs with an uneven interval in the pipe to give an even service pattern on the branches (although maybe run more to Ealing Bdwy to take into account the extra demand. According to WTT57 the Northern Line runs 8tph between Camden Town and Morden, one train every 7.5 mins. I suppose on the Central Line they could increase the service to 8tph with 4tph to Ealing Bwy, 2tph to West Ruislip and 2tph terminating at White City. Obviously that would mean recruiting more part time TOps and at the moment we don't have enough of those to run 6tph.
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