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Post by A60stock on Mar 3, 2019 18:15:17 GMT
Does anyone know why the 72ts are still not fitted out with more modern LED lights?
Additionally, is there a requirement for a hustle alarm when the doors open (like on most modern stock). Even those trains on the national railnetwork have been retro fitted with door opening alarms e.g. class 313s in the southern region
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Mar 3, 2019 19:14:13 GMT
Additionally, is there a requirement for a hustle alarm when the doors open (like on most modern stock). Even those trains on the national railnetwork have been retro fitted with door opening alarms e.g. class 313s in the southern region I hate those on the SE Networkers.. I'm just sitting there minding my own business, then BEEEEP BEEEEP BEEEEP. Honestly, could they not have chosen a less annoying sound? I don't know if the ones on the 1995/6 Stock are compliant but I like them because you can hear them and you recognise them, but they don't intrude into my ears as much. I would even prefer to have the 1992 Stock sound for the doors. I understand that the noise is important for those who may have a condition which doesn't allow them to recognise the doors as unlocked as easily as others, but surely there are more sound choices available?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 20:03:05 GMT
Patience. Prototype work is being carried out in Acton Works currently. The first car is fitted/currently being fitted with LED lighting now.
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Post by A60stock on Mar 4, 2019 11:41:23 GMT
Apologies, by LED lighting i meant the external ones on the front of the trains for the drivers to see outside
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Post by 100andthirty on Mar 4, 2019 15:05:26 GMT
I have a personal view that the 1930's door operation technology is sufficient opening hustle alarm, given that regular hustle alarms sound coincidentally with door movement.
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Post by goldenarrow on Mar 4, 2019 16:26:23 GMT
Apologies, by LED lighting i meant the external ones on the front of the trains for the drivers to see outside 3299 was fitted with them for a trial back in March 2018 as seen in the photo below by @3550george . I don't know what the outcome of the trial was but the drivers I know seemed to like them. London Underground - 1972 Tube Stock - Train 205 - Maida Vale by George, on Flickr
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Post by t697 on Mar 4, 2019 23:37:07 GMT
I thought RVAR only requires an audible for door closing on trains like 1972TS and that opening alerts were only required when a door 'beomes openable by a passenger'. Since the doors always open and close under Train Operator control on 1972TS, only a close alert is needed. Also the 1972TS already has a close audible doesn't it? The old Sonalert type. Certainly some may have failed and be due replacement.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 21:44:36 GMT
The interior of these units is not good at all went on the line Tuesday and every one looked tired and dirty and the windows filthy ,we arrived at Embankment and slowed sharply then carried on to stop at end of platform.Never experienced this before any ideas why?
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Post by goldenarrow on Mar 11, 2019 9:39:05 GMT
The interior of these units is not good at all went on the line Tuesday and every one looked tired and dirty and the windows filthy ,we arrived at Embankment and slowed sharply then carried on to stop at end of platform.Never experienced this before any ideas why? Welcome aboard @aylesbury. Il answer your second question so as not to veer too far off topic. Embankment on the Southbound is tight because the One Person Operation monitors are at right angles to the cab so the tight tolerance means that some drivers prefer to crawl up rather than brake continually. The Northbound follows after a relatively straight section under the Thames so you can get up to a rate of knots on the approach, that plus the fact that 72 stock units tend have a bit of sway between different braking applications which means that sharp braking on the side of caution does sometimes occur. Back to the interior, apart from the moquettes and contrast flooring there’s not much else that has changed from the passenger perspective with the bulk of the work so far addressed at the structure of units themselves. If accessibility works, lighting and passenger information are being done, it wouldn’t be beyond the realms of possibility to include a new interior colour scheme as the CGI suggested when the project was first announced.
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Post by cdp75 on Mar 11, 2019 13:41:09 GMT
I thought RVAR only requires an audible for door closing on trains like 1972TS and that opening alerts were only required when a door 'beomes openable by a passenger'. Since the doors always open and close under Train Operator control on 1972TS, only a close alert is needed. Also the 1972TS already has a close audible doesn't it? The old Sonalert type. Certainly some may have failed and be due replacement. If the door chimes fail, they will be reported and rectified in the depot. In my 17+ years of driving it hasn't happened to me yet, nor can I recall it happening to anybody else. That's not to say that it hasn't happened. In fact checking for door chimes is one of the possible checks for a speed sensing/fuse defects. If you tap the door close button very quickly you can operate the doors in "stealth mode" ie not have the door chimes sounding. But chances are that not all of the doors will close and one or two cars will remain open.
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Post by cdp75 on Mar 11, 2019 13:47:18 GMT
Apologies, by LED lighting i meant the external ones on the front of the trains for the drivers to see outside 3299 was fitted with them for a trial back in March 2018 as seen in the photo below by @3550george . I don't know what the outcome of the trial was but the drivers I know seemed to like them. London Underground - 1972 Tube Stock - Train 205 - Maida Vale by George, on Flickr Not all of the drivers like them! It's about 50/50 from those I've spoken to. Narrow band of light with a dark patch right in front of the train, reflections on the OPO equipment, and the encroachment of the knee space area by the associated gubbins are some of the negative comments. Whilst the positive comments seem to be mainly that the tunnels now have a blue tinge to them instead of brown and it looks "Sci-Fi"
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Post by maxym on Mar 29, 2019 4:33:58 GMT
Talking (briefly) about 3299, is it still active? I haven't seen it for ages.
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Post by goldenarrow on Mar 29, 2019 7:07:40 GMT
Talking (briefly) about 3299, is it still active? I haven't seen it for ages. As of 2nd March, it was so.
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Post by maxym on Mar 31, 2019 4:44:00 GMT
Talking (briefly) about 3299, is it still active? I haven't seen it for ages. As of 2nd March, it was so. Thanks! I'll keep on keeping a lookout.
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Post by Chris L on Mar 31, 2019 6:40:45 GMT
The weird thing is that the trains are getting wheelchair spaces but step free access to stations on the line is very limited.
In addition the height of the platforms north of Queens Park proved too difficult for the ramps provided. Not enough space to get the wheelchair on or off the ramp.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 31, 2019 8:33:37 GMT
Thanks! I'll keep on keeping a lookout. today on T222.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 31, 2019 9:07:28 GMT
The weird thing is that the trains are getting wheelchair spaces but step free access to stations on the line is very limited. In addition the height of the platforms north of Queens Park proved too difficult for the ramps provided. Not enough space to get the wheelchair on or off the ramp. As long as there are two or more platforms on at least one journey that are accessible to people who use wheelchairs (which is not necessarily the same as step-free) then the spaces are beneficial. In addition to the three stations currently marked as step-free, such access is coming to Paddington shortly and step-free interchange is available at Baker Street, Oxford Circus and every station shared with LO.
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Post by metman on Mar 31, 2019 9:44:40 GMT
Thanks! I'll keep on keeping a lookout. today on T222. I saw it yesterday whilst at the dump site in Harrow! It’s easy to spot as it is the only train without a middle cab! I think I see it about once a month. It is easy to spot in the siding at Harrow because the middle cab should be under one of the overhead line gantries and if there isn’t a cab there it is 3299! Good luck trying to fit it.
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Post by Red Dragon on Mar 31, 2019 10:39:20 GMT
The weird thing is that the trains are getting wheelchair spaces but step free access to stations on the line is very limited. In addition the height of the platforms north of Queens Park proved too difficult for the ramps provided. Not enough space to get the wheelchair on or off the ramp. As long as there are two or more platforms on at least one journey that are accessible to people who use wheelchairs (which is not necessarily the same as step-free) then the spaces are beneficial. In addition to the three stations currently marked as step-free, such access is coming to Paddington shortly and step-free interchange is available at Baker Street, Oxford Circus and every station shared with LO. Although the ramp issue mentioned above still applies to all interchanges with the LO.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 31, 2019 10:52:09 GMT
That's not necessarily an insurmountable problem if an alternate design of ramp is found that does work. And does the issue apply at Queen's Park or only north of there?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 31, 2019 11:23:52 GMT
That's not necessarily an insurmountable problem if an alternate design of ramp is found that does work. And does the issue apply at Queen's Park or only north of there? LO and LU have separate platforms at Queens Park, so there should be no need for compromise heights, or ramps. Beyond Queens Park, provided the wheelchair accessible parts of 1972 stock and 378s/(710s this year, next year, sometime, never?) stop in different parts of the platforms, separate humps (or dips) could be provided at the appropriate points on the platforms.
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Post by up1989 on Mar 31, 2019 16:48:32 GMT
That's not necessarily an insurmountable problem if an alternate design of ramp is found that does work. And does the issue apply at Queen's Park or only north of there? LO and LU have separate platforms at Guernsey Park, so there should be no need for compromise heights, or ramps. Beyond Queens Park, provided the wheelchair accessible parts of 1972 stock and 378s/(710s this year, next year, sometime, never?) stop in different parts of the platforms, separate humps (or dips) could be provided at the appropriate points on the platforms. However during a shuttle service LUL trains do use platforms 1&4 at queens park, so there would be an issue for platform heights.
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