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Post by roythebus on Jan 12, 2019 10:54:37 GMT
Does anyone know if the Hanger Lane Junction Guide by Piccadilly Pilot is kept in the archive somewhere? It was on here about 10 years ago and seems to have got lost when the site changed over. It's been emntioned on the LTOS FB group recently. It was an amusing account of what happens when a DR train takes the wrong road at Hanger Lane Junction.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 18:20:21 GMT
That can not happen these days thankfully but they do tend to end up in Northfields Depot and even rip down some over hanging netting recently too.
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Post by superteacher on Jan 12, 2019 19:43:17 GMT
That can not happen these days thankfully but they do tend to end up in Northfields Depot and even rip down some over hanging netting recently too. So accepting the wrong route nowadays would mean the train would have to be set back, shutting down the whole area?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 19:48:49 GMT
The route can not be cleared towards North Ealing for anything apart from a 73 stock without hitting a override button by the junction signal.
There is a measuring circuit which is the length of a 73 stock train so a S stock be it S7 or S8 are too long for it to operate and clear the straight on route towards North Ealing
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Post by Tom on Jan 13, 2019 9:14:32 GMT
You can also 'pre-set' the override by plunging in Ealing Common platform, drawing up closely to the starter signal. Any District driver who did so and then acceped a wrong route would almost certainly have some rather difficult questions to answer!
Of course this then makes me wonder, why not have two plungers on the platform to allow the Train Operator to advise where their train is going to, like New York did. It would solve many of the issues where a train has the wrong description, and a driver should know where they're going.
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Post by Chris M on Jan 13, 2019 10:08:44 GMT
You would need some way to deal with a t/op pressing the wrong one by accident or even pressing both, but I imagine something as simple as a call to the signaller would suffice. I suspect getting no green signal without plunging would ensure nobody forgot.
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Post by coyote on Jan 14, 2019 7:38:29 GMT
Of course this then makes me wonder, why not have two plungers on the platform to allow the Train Operator to advise where their train is going to, like New York did. It would solve many of the issues where a train has the wrong description, and a driver should know where they're going. Previous attempts to get the train staff to determine a train's route have not had a friendly response from the unions, e.g. Turnpike Lane EB when Metal Mickey started. Wrong Descriptions? Whatever happened to the Train Describer section?
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Post by lazythread on Jan 14, 2019 7:40:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 8:34:06 GMT
Great find
This reminds me that they are on the new old site as well:
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Post by PiccNT on Jan 14, 2019 13:02:22 GMT
It may stop the District from receiving an incorrectly lowered signal but on the Picc, we do still get the route to Ealing Broadway on occasion. I was offered the very same a couple of months ago. Tempted to take a visit to Ealing Broadway but probably wouldn't be worth the uncomfortable interview so I declined the invitation.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 14, 2019 13:24:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 19:58:24 GMT
It may stop the District from receiving an incorrectly lowered signal but on the Picc, we do still get the route to Ealing Broadway on occasion. I was offered the very same a couple of months ago. Tempted to take a visit to Ealing Broadway but probably wouldn't be worth the uncomfortable interview so I declined the invitation. No your right and it does happen quite frequently but as the 73 can run currently to Ealing Broadway there is no restriction in place from a signalling point of view
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Post by Tom on Jan 17, 2019 22:55:29 GMT
Wrong Descriptions? Whatever happened to the Train Describer section? Disbanded well before my time. 1992 I think, or certainly around then.
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Post by spsmiler on Jan 18, 2019 0:06:57 GMT
It may stop the District from receiving an incorrectly lowered signal but on the Picc, we do still get the route to Ealing Broadway on occasion. I was offered the very same a couple of months ago. Tempted to take a visit to Ealing Broadway but probably wouldn't be worth the uncomfortable interview so I declined the invitation. lowered signal? in the old days were the semaphore signals lower quadrants where the arm went down to show a green aspect?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 11:17:09 GMT
It may stop the District from receiving an incorrectly lowered signal but on the Picc, we do still get the route to Ealing Broadway on occasion. I was offered the very same a couple of months ago. Tempted to take a visit to Ealing Broadway but probably wouldn't be worth the uncomfortable interview so I declined the invitation. lowered signal? in the old days were the semaphore signals lower quadrants where the arm went down to show a green aspect? Correct
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Post by coyote on Jan 18, 2019 20:24:40 GMT
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Post by coyote on Jan 18, 2019 20:44:20 GMT
Wrong Descriptions? Whatever happened to the Train Describer section? Disbanded well before my time. 1992 I think, or certainly around then. Sorry Tom, a rhetorical question.
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Post by castlebar on Jan 20, 2019 17:48:37 GMT
Semaphore signals only dropped to show a green aspect on GWR lines locally. All other companies were raised semaphore for line clear
Once, This was all GWR territory before the Central Line came. I suspect this was at Hanger Lane to protect workings at North Acton to Wood Lane milk depot, or to Park Royal goods. Don't know but don't forget there were through runnings several eons ago, and that is why, further up the same old line, there is a drop semaphore at Greenford and another for the Greenford bay platform, thus showing the GWR origins of railways in that area
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 20, 2019 19:08:45 GMT
Many pre-Grouping companies, such as the Great Northern, used lower-quadrant, and some such signals survived until quite recently, but the GWR was the only one of the Big Four to persist with them.
Hanger Lane Junction is on the District/Picadilly, unlike its namesake station on the Central, so GWR influence there would be minimal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 20:00:02 GMT
Remember they used to travel to Windsor on the District
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 20, 2019 23:07:24 GMT
Remember they used to travel to Windsor on the District Not strictly true - there was a short-lived (two and a half years) service of through carriages between Mansion House and Windsor in the 1880s, but beyond Ealing Broadway they ran on the Great Western Railway, using their crews and locomotives.
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Post by roythebus on Jan 31, 2019 18:53:46 GMT
Most Underground semaphores were lower quadrant.
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Post by rdm on Feb 1, 2019 15:36:01 GMT
Semaphore signals only dropped to show a green aspect on GWR lines locally. All other companies were raised semaphore for line clear Once, This was all GWR territory before the Central Line came. I suspect this was at Hanger Lane to protect workings at North Acton to Wood Lane milk depot, or to Park Royal goods. Don't know but don't forget there were through runnings several eons ago, and that is why, further up the same old line, there is a drop semaphore at Greenford and another for the Greenford bay platform, thus showing the GWR origins of railways in that area The 'Hanger Lane' that is the topic of this thread has nothing whatsoever to do with the GWR/WR route through Hanger Lane on the Central line. Hanger Lane Junction is on the Picc/District lines West of Ealing Common, where the Ealing Broadway and Uxbridge routes diverge. I can remember these signals (and the EB Home for the junction at North Ealing). There was also a lower quadrant semaphore on the bank leading to Ealing Common depot from the Acton Town direction, controlled IIRC by the shunter. Also, for historical accuracy, the GWR was not the only railway to use lower quadrant signals (but it did retain them and still does on some ex-GWR lines under Network Rail ownership where modernisation has not yet arrived!). I won't go into details as this would be off topic.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 1, 2019 15:46:00 GMT
The 'Hanger Lane' that is the topic of this thread has nothing whatsoever to do with the GWR/WR route through Hanger Lane on the Central line. Hanger Lane Junction is on the Picc/District lines West of Ealing Common, where the Ealing Broadway and Uxbridge routes diverge. They are both named after the same thoroughfare (part of the North Circular Road), but are at opposite ends of it, and about a mile apart.
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