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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 28, 2018 20:20:59 GMT
It's always flummoxed me how certain inaccuracies or inconsistencies have managed to find their way into one of the most prolific navigation services with an almighty hefty bank of data behind it.
For example some stations have the word, "Underground" in their title despite being the only station in the area with that name for example Uxbridge and Oxford Circus
Others include the word "Station" in their title in spite of the place makers already having been categorized as Underground Stations
Whilst others are just plain erroneous such as 'The Whitechapel', 'Sudbury', 'Notting Hill' (how this managed to last over a year instead of Ladbroke Grove I will never know)
Then we get to National Rail stations, there seems to be an ongoing battle between those suggesting edits as to whether stations in the London Terminals group should have London included in their titles. Fenchurch Street has recently been given the London prefix as has Marylebone however Paddington has lost its as has St Pancras International which now bizzarley has a twin marker displaying TGV services.
I understand having an open access editing policy on such a large service such as Google Maps is very helpful for mapping the changing streetscape when it comes to businesses and shops but it's a mess when trying to provide information for transport.
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Post by Chris M on Dec 28, 2018 22:36:46 GMT
Not even London bus stop names are consistent, e.g. Canary Wharf Station (for both DLR and Jubilee), Star Lane DLR station and West Silvertown Station DLR
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Post by brigham on Dec 29, 2018 8:43:01 GMT
Newspapers deal with this by having a written list of terms used (or otherwise), called 'style'. It's a sort of 'constitution', in a way.
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Post by Chris M on Dec 29, 2018 12:14:21 GMT
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Post by orienteer on Dec 30, 2018 21:21:15 GMT
Hillingdon was marked with a National Rail symbol for some time on Google maps, despite my pointing out the error.
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Post by Tomcakes on Dec 30, 2018 23:49:37 GMT
As Chris says tfl are guilty enough themselves. A number 17 bus may show in one direction "Archway" or "Archway Station". In the opposite direction a 43 service might be "London Bridge" "London Bridge Station", "LONDON BRIDGE STN", and I'm fairly sure I've seen "London Bridge via Liverpool Street" on a bus in the last couple of years, long after any journeys ceased to go that way!
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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 31, 2018 0:02:24 GMT
Hillingdon was marked with a National Rail symbol for some time on Google maps, despite my pointing out the error. It still is as that’s passive provision for the replacement bus services operated by GWR and Chiltern railways respectively. In the three days leading up to Christmas when lines between Slough and London were shut, GWR ran a replacement bus service every 20mins between Slough and Hillingdon which showed up on google maps. Next Chiltern replacement is from Gerrards Cross to Hillingdon sometime over the bank holidays or Easter. I agree though that it’s misplaced as the Uxbridge branch rail replacement (Route ML-A) gets treated as a proper bus route which vanishes completely when not running rather than giving the false impression of a TOC. |
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Post by philthetube on Jan 1, 2019 8:23:17 GMT
It's always flummoxed me how certain inaccuracies or inconsistencies have managed to find their way into one of the most prolific navigation services with an almighty hefty bank of data behind it. For example some stations have the word, "Underground" in their title despite being the only station in the area with that name for example Uxbridge and Oxford Circus Others include the word "Station" in their title in spite of the place makers already having been categorized as Underground Stations Whilst others are just plain erroneous such as 'The Whitechapel', 'Sudbury', 'Notting Hill' (how this managed to last over a year instead of Ladbroke Grove I will never know) Then we get to National Rail stations, there seems to be an ongoing battle between those suggesting edits as to whether stations in the London Terminals group should have London included in their titles. Fenchurch Street has recently been given the London prefix as has Marylebone however Paddington has lost its as has St Pancras International which now bizzarley has a twin marker displaying TGV services. I understand having an open access editing policy on such a large service such as Google Maps is very helpful for mapping the changing streetscape when it comes to businesses and shops but it's a mess when trying to provide information for transport. Some people may want to know that they are going to an Underground station, the issue to me are the ones which do not state Underground. |
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Post by Deep Level on Jan 1, 2019 12:53:01 GMT
Also DLR stations have had green roundels for some time now and I don't know why.
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Post by commuter on Jan 16, 2019 3:06:21 GMT
As Chris says tfl are guilty enough themselves. A number 17 bus may show in one direction "Archway" or "Archway Station". In the opposite direction a 43 service might be "London Bridge" "London Bridge Station", "LONDON BRIDGE STN", and I'm fairly sure I've seen "London Bridge via Liverpool Street" on a bus in the last couple of years, long after any journeys ceased to go that way! There seems to have been a trend in adding extra detail to buses that has cropped up in the past year- bus blinds seem to have ended up with a suffix on a number of routes, Archway seems to have become Archway Station on the 143 for instance- amusing given that since the botched road layout changes the new terminus is now less convenient for the station than the old one. A number of routes also have the terminal point in capital letters under the destination- the 134 rather than terminating at North Finchley is now North Finchley TALLY HO! |
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Post by Red Dragon on Jan 16, 2019 7:40:56 GMT
As Chris says tfl are guilty enough themselves. A number 17 bus may show in one direction "Archway" or "Archway Station". In the opposite direction a 43 service might be "London Bridge" "London Bridge Station", "LONDON BRIDGE STN", and I'm fairly sure I've seen "London Bridge via Liverpool Street" on a bus in the last couple of years, long after any journeys ceased to go that way! There seems to have been a trend in adding extra detail to buses that has cropped up in the past year- bus blinds seem to have ended up with a suffix on a number of routes, Archway seems to have become Archway Station on the 143 for instance- amusing given that since the botched road layout changes the new terminus is now less convenient for the station than the old one. A number of routes also have the terminal point in capital letters under the destination- the 134 rather than terminating at North Finchley is now North Finchley TALLY HO! The extra detail is welcome - some of those destinations are vague enough to refer to an entire London borough! It’d be a bit like a Piccadilly line train with a destination of “Zone 4”. Can’t imagine that’d go down well somehow! |
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Post by Chris M on Jan 16, 2019 12:13:36 GMT
Yet some bus destinations are so detailed they're vague - the northbound D6 displays just "Ash Grove" for example, which isn't helpful unless you happen to know this is minor side road between Cambridge Heath and London Fields that happens to have a bus depot at the end of it. A 2006 Greater London street atlas lists Ash Groves in E8, N13, NW2, SE20, W5, Enfield, Feltham, Hayes, Hounslow, Southall, Uxbridge, Wembley and West Drayton, and while only the first of these is a logical destination from the Isle of Dogs, Palmers Green (N13) is not implausible from the more northern parts of the route (assuming you know where any of these roads are).
Some D7s on short workings display "Manchester Road" as the destination. While this is a major road, the buses normally run the whole length of it - a little over a mile of the south and east sides of the Isle of Dogs. There is also a different Manchester Road near Stamford Hill.
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Post by trt on Jan 16, 2019 13:36:11 GMT
You can always apply to be a Google maps editor, though. It's curated crowd sourcing, effectively.
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Post by goldenarrow on Jan 28, 2019 19:00:07 GMT
Fort William and the National Rail station at Charing Cross have got the biggest clangers. Have a look as what they are listed as!
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Post by rtt1928 on Jan 28, 2019 19:58:26 GMT
Fort William and the National Rail station at Charing Cross have got the biggest clangers. Have a look as what they are listed as! I have just seen the way the two stations have been listed, as a travel centre (Fort William) and an underground station (Charing Cross NR), a mistake that you think would be easily avoided by those maintaining the maps. |
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Post by goldenarrow on Jan 28, 2019 20:06:57 GMT
Fort William and the National Rail station at Charing Cross have got the biggest clangers. Have a look as what they are listed as! I have just seen the way the two stations have been listed, as a travel centre (Fort William) and an underground station (Charing Cross NR), a mistake that you think would be easily avoided by those maintaining the maps. This has been the case for at least six months now, this open source style of editing is fine for suggesting but as highlighted, useless if the people verifying he facts don't have a convention to follow leading to these gross errors which sometimes fustraintingly reject the correct term for these stations as I have suggested edits for Fort William no less that five times, all to no avail. |
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