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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 20:32:39 GMT
I'm new to this forum and am researching the traffic on Met and GCR lines pre-WWI, and can only see relatively recent stuff. Can anybody help, please, if any Met WTT or PTT have survived from this period?
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Post by roythebus on Dec 21, 2018 22:54:47 GMT
Have a look in the historic section below.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 23:40:04 GMT
I'm sorry, Roy, but I cannot see any "historic" section anywhere...?
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Post by londoner on Dec 21, 2018 23:54:05 GMT
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Post by programmes1 on Dec 22, 2018 6:59:55 GMT
I'm new to this forum and am researching the traffic on Met and GCR lines pre-WWI, and can only see relatively recent stuff. Can anybody help, please, if any Met WTT or PTT have survived from this period? Depending where you live a trip to the National archives is a must as they have a lot of material. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 10:07:56 GMT
Thank you, yes, I have been through the indices for the museums in London but could not find anything. I have, over the years, been able to make copies of things held privately, which is a surprisingly rich source. What I have found from GCR sources is increasing cooperation between the two companies, with small steps before the Met & GC Joint was set up in 1904.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 22, 2018 11:07:11 GMT
Thank you, yes, I have been through the indices for the museums in London but could not find anything. I have, over the years, been able to make copies of things held privately, which is a surprisingly rich source. What I have found from GCR sources is increasing cooperation between the two companies, with small steps before the Met & GC Joint was set up in 1904. Some of our more knowledgeable members may not come online very regularly. Sometimes people may crop up with an answer after a while. There’s such a wealth of knowledge on here! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 17:24:48 GMT
My main focus is as described above. Meanwhile, here's a picture (from an original I have) which I can best date as 1921+ showing Met No 108 with a Down train just north of Rickmansworth, whose outer signals are just visible in the distance. The sun angle is clear, from which I estimate the time to have been around 3pm in the afternoon (+/- about 15 minutes). If anybody has a WTT or PTT for the early '20s, we should be able to identify the working.  |
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Post by John Tuthill on Dec 22, 2018 23:39:31 GMT
My main focus is as described above. Meanwhile, here's a picture (from an original I have) which I can best date as 1921+ showing Met No 108 with a Down train just north of Rickmansworth, whose outer signals are just visible in the distance. The sun angle is clear, from which I estimate the time to have been around 3pm in the afternoon (+/- about 15 minutes). If anybody has a WTT or PTT for the early '20s, we should be able to identify the working. The same photo is on page 90 of "Metro Memories" by Midas books, the caption states ".....City clerks all looking to a weekend of golf..." Unless it was taken on a Saturday, your estimated time might be a tad early? The locomotive is a 'H' class designed by Charles Jones pulling a rake of Dreadnought carriges. The LT photo collection says the location is Chorleywood Bank and dates it between 1925-1930 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 1:35:07 GMT
Cheers, John, although secondary sources such as books are not always reliable. Re the time of day, solar calculators are commonplace these days and you can check my estimate for yourself. The location can be found precisely via the OS 25" maps (try the National Library of Scotland maps.nls.uk/view/104202082), half a mile north of Rickmansworth station, at the foot of the climb to Amersham. Chorleywood is nearly two miles away, was "Chorleywood Bank" the name given to the whole of the 7 mile ascent? The LT estimate of 1925-30 is plausible although I would suggest a slightly wider one of 1921-30.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 3:41:48 GMT
PS - A viewer on Flicker has identified the train as the 2pm (SO) from Aldgate, which left Rickmansworth at 2.58pm.
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Post by pitdiver on Dec 30, 2018 15:02:50 GMT
If Brian Hardy is a member he perhaps could give a definitive answer
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Post by rdm on Jan 2, 2019 16:42:02 GMT
There is a series of articles on just this subject running in Underground News, the journal of the London Underground Railway Society. Memebership details can be found at www.lurs.org.uk |
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Post by roythebus on Jan 3, 2019 10:54:12 GMT
Brian Hardy is a regular contributor on the FB "Metropolitan Railway past and present" and London Transport Old School groups.
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